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Trading BI is addition by subtraction
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:08 pm
Zion with shooters needs to be the closing lineup. BI comes in and the lead evaporates, for the dozenth time this season. This team will go nowhere when both of its stars are ball dominant players who play bad/meh defense.
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Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:11 pm to yaboidarrell
It also will force Zion to play his way into shape. It’s almost February and he still can’t play more than 6 minutes without needing a breather, like Boogie.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:12 pm to yaboidarrell
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Zion with shooters needs to be the closing lineup. BI comes in and the lead evaporates, for the dozenth time this season
lol ... did you watch the game?
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:15 pm to yaboidarrell
Trade CJ. Not BI.
Or is that not even possible because no one values CJ?
Or is that not even possible because no one values CJ?
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:31 pm to yaboidarrell
Enough of this shite already. WTF did BI do to lose this game?
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:33 pm to LSUPilot07
Anyone with any basketball sense knows that BI is our second best player after Zion.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:54 pm to LSUPilot07
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Enough of this shite already. WTF did BI do to lose this game?
That play at the end of the half is the problem in a nutshell. BI isn’t good enough to overcome the coaching decisions.
Zion was stationary away from the ball. They run a Pick and Pop with Trey who can’t get open and his pick doesn’t free up BI. The result is a BI contested long range 2.
Why wouldn’t they run a BI/Zion P&R with Trey coming off a back screen as a 3rd option? They also had the P&R they used to run with Jrue and Davis and Ryan Anderson “rolling” down the 3 point arc parallel to Davis. It forced help defenders to pick helping in the lane or on the perimeter.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 11:13 pm to TigerinATL
once again BI proved he is the only guy on this team that can create a shot. He's far from perfect, but until Z gets in elite shape, you can't count on him. No one else does anything, shitty picks, no one moving to get open when BI has to create.
Winning a few games by 30 and then loosing a few like we do tells me it's coaching.
Winning a few games by 30 and then loosing a few like we do tells me it's coaching.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 5:58 am to TigerinATL
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It’s almost February and he still can’t play more than 6 minutes without needing a breather, like Boogie.
This is bullshite, that’s just Willie’s rotations and Willie has done the SAME exact rotation all season long with Zion and BI pulling them out of the game at the same points. Willie needs to change his rotations.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 6:25 am to yaboidarrell
So we should trade one of the only guys who can create, who also led our team in Points, Rebounds, and Assists vs Boston last night?
Makes sense!
Makes sense!
Posted on 1/30/24 at 6:31 am to LSUPilot07
quote:isn’t his contract coming up? It’s said he’s going to demand a max contract, he’s not that guy. If he gets a max contract it will sink this franchise for years
Enough of this shite already. WTF did BI do to lose this game?
Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:25 am to Soggymoss
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This is bullshite, that’s just Willie’s rotations and Willie has done the SAME exact rotation all season long with Zion and BI pulling them out of the game at the same points. Willie needs to change his rotations.
Zion asked to come out twice last night because he was winded. It was a fast paced game, The Celtics did call a timeout at one point because they were tired too, but still, don’t act like Zion is in peak condition. Do you think he’s in better shape now than he was last December? I don’t. I think he’s getting closer, but it seems like it’s taken longer to play his way into shape this year.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:59 am to yaboidarrell
BI and Zion playing together has proven to be a winning combination.
Not sure who you think we’d receive for BI or what we’d have to give up.
Not sure who you think we’d receive for BI or what we’d have to give up.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 8:00 am to TigerinATL
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That play at the end of the half is the problem in a nutshell. BI isn’t good enough to overcome the coaching decisions.
Just a terrible minute of basketball.
They sub Zion in for offense because the Celtics go small and do NOTHING with him.
He just stands there.
Meanwhile we get BI forcing a shot one foot inside the 3 point line.
Trash coaching and retarded shot selection from BI
Posted on 1/30/24 at 8:50 am to TigerinATL
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Zion asked to come out twice last night because he was winded.
I did not notice this. However, even if he did, sitting him for 6 minutes twice in the first half and over three minutes in the fourth is on Willie. He doesn't need that much time to recover. At the very minimum, Zion should have been put back in when CJ came back in the fourth. Instead, he sat an additional three possessions in which Boston increased the lead. Inexcusable.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 8:55 am to ThePistol
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I did not notice this.
I was watching the Boston stream and Scal pointed it out. It may not have been something the Bally's broadcast showed.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:16 am to ThePistol
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I did not notice this. However, even if he did, sitting him for 6 minutes twice in the first half and over three minutes in the fourth is on Willie. He doesn't need that much time to recover. At the very minimum, Zion should have been put back in when CJ came back in the fourth. Instead, he sat an additional three possessions in which Boston increased the lead. Inexcusable.
well he came into the game with 4 minutes left down 3.
He turned it over twice and made a layup.
in the clutch stats for the season.
Zion is 97th in points at 1.6 points per game in the clutch, attempting only 1.2 shots in the clutch.
He is a -0.9 in those clutch minutes, which ranks him 259th in the league.
He is tied for the 4th most turnovers in the clutch, behind two rookies and Lebron, who has the ball in his hands every single play in the clutch.
Lebron takes 2.6 shots compared to Zions 1.2, and hits them at 64% compared to Zions 53%.
The entire teams clutch stats look equally terrible, as every player has terrible stats, BI included.
They can't stop anyone. They are 4th to last in DRtg in the clutch.
They can't score. They are 3rd to last in ORtg in the clutch.
Overall, a pleasant 3rd to last in NetRtg at -26.3
Denver is in 1st with a +24.3
We have the highest TO rate in the league in the clutch, and to combat that, we are also in last in creating turnovers on defense.
We are also dead last, by a wide margin in FT% in the clutch at 59%, and we are in the top 10 in FTA's in the clutch. 2nd to last place is shooting 68%
we are 22% from 3 in the clutch, good for 4th to last.
This team as a whole, is complete arse in the clutch. Not a single bright spot to be found.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:32 am to VOR
quote:When?
BI and Zion playing together has proven to be a winning combination.
Years 1 and 2 - nope.
Year 3 - Zion out
Year 4 - Nope. Our best version of our team in year 4 was with Zion and no BI
Year 5 - They're healthy for the longest period since year 2, and we're the 8 seed on pace for 45 wins
So I ask again, when were they this winning combination?
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 9:34 am
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:06 am to shel311
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When?
Years 1 and 2 - nope.
Year 3 - Zion out
Year 4 - Nope. Our best version of our team in year 4 was with Zion and no BI
Year 5 - They're healthy for the longest period since year 2, and we're the 8 seed on pace for 45 wins
So I ask again, when were they this winning combination?
Exactly, we've been begging for these guys to be healthy and they finally are healthy and they just prove to us that they arent needle moving guys.
That is fricking depressing.
We're on pace for 3 more wins than last year. So the difference in Zion and Ingram being healthy to this team is 3 more wins. Sobering thought
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:09 am to Balsamic_duck
quote:This season to date is arguably(I'd say absolutely lol) worse than the last 2.
Exactly, we've been begging for these guys to be healthy and they finally are healthy and they just prove to us that they arent needle moving guys.
That is fricking depressing.
Last 2 seasons you could use the Zion excuse and think we could be a contender if he was just healthy.
Now he's healthy, and we're an 8 seed on pace for 45 wins.
To date, what we've learned through 47 games thus far is worse than anything we've learned the previous 5 seasons.
We have a chance to turn it around in the last 35 games, I just don't know why I should have much confidence that we'll turn it around. it feels like we're in a dog fight to try to be better than a 7 seed/play in.
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