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re: Trades that bring in cheap depth
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:08 am to LesGeaux45
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:08 am to LesGeaux45
quote:Bad move. You cannot replace a player like Cousins with the assets we have. Save the 1st and make your move next year once you have a better feel as to how Cousins is recovering.
Tweet from Woj that confirms Dell plans to go into trade ninja mode to try and salvage this playoff run:
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Despite loss of Cousins for season, the Pelicans plan to remain active in acquiring talent prior to the Feb. 8 trade deadline, league sources tell ESPN.
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Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:12 am to NOSHAU
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You cannot replace a player like Cousins with the assets we have
I don't think you can even try that so hopefully Demps wont. RoLo/ZBo types should not be the target. The focus should be building around AD small ball. A backup big can best be found in the buyout market like NoFox has been mentioning. That means you probably need to move Ajinca/Diallo to free up money and roster spots, unless they are ready to give Diallo a shot at playing.
Something short term that wouldn't kill assets would be Ajinca/Diallo for Illyasova and picking up Monroe or Noel once they get bought out. I just hope he doesn't go after Carroll unless it's part of a bigger deal like the one MM proposed.
This post was edited on 1/27/18 at 11:15 am
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:13 am to ShamelessPel
quote:2 1st rounders for that pile? Hell no. It is not time to panic and dump the future for a 34 game plug. Hold onto the 1st and see how Cousins recovers next season.
No way Sac dumps all that AND takes salary for one 1st.
CHI - Lopez/Valentine/Grant/2 2nds
Pels - Asik/Ajinca/2018 top 3 protected/2020 top 5 protected
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:21 am to TigerinATL
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I just hope he doesn't go after Carroll unless it's part of a bigger deal like the one MM proposed.
Yeah I really think I could live with the BKN deal. That's three depth pieces that address both the front court and back court. And you still end up with a late first rounder this year that you can use to build up some cheap depth. Not to mention offloading two unusable pieces.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:27 am to NOSHAU
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2 1st rounders for that pile? Hell no. It is not time to panic and dump the future for a 34 game plug. Hold onto the 1st and see how Cousins recovers next season
You don’t make Asik and Ajinca go away for free dude. It’s been largely assumed if you wanted them out it would take a first. That’s not a 34 game plug either. Valentine is only on the 2nd year of his rookie deal. Grant is signed through next year with Lopez. Trying to figure out a solution to doing more than plug up holes isn’t easy.
What do you expect a first round pick #13-20 to contribute next year? The Pels by being in win now mode, have run out of time and are forced into win now mode.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:53 am to ShamelessPel
You don’t spend a first right now to dump Asik when there is so much uncertainty unless it makes the team significantly better.
I’d prefer to use a 2nd, Diallo and cash to convert Anjiica into a useable C.
I’d prefer to use a 2nd, Diallo and cash to convert Anjiica into a useable C.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 12:03 pm to NOFOX
Yesterday before the injury I took to someone who knows the pelicans and they said that the team was trying to get bazemore from atl
Posted on 1/27/18 at 1:04 pm to TigerinATL
The NBA confuses me. Too much crap exceptions bs. Can't follow.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 2:23 pm to NOSHAU
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2 1st rounders for that pile? Hell no. It is not time to panic and dump the future for a 34 game plug. Hold onto the 1st and see how Cousins recovers next season.
Valentine was the 14th pick, playing in his 2nd year, shooting 40% from 3. trading a first for 2 more years of him is more than fair.
Grant was the 19th pick, playing in his 3rd season. He's 4th in the league in A/TO margin playing only 20 miinutes a game. he's a 6'4" PG that can play defense. You get 1 more year of him. He's almost worth a 1st round pick.
You get 1 more year of Rolo, who's been playing great, instead of paying Asik/Ajinca to sit on the bench.
Tell me again why this is so terrible of a deal?
We could only hope to get a Valentine or Grant with our first round pick. That's not how we draft, we draft JuJu.
You do all of that and keep Diallo and Jackson (hopefully they can contribute someway), and you actually have some young talent for a change.
You do that trade and you've got 10 guys on the roster minus Cousins. No telling what he's going to sign for, but you likely have enough for 2 minimums and stay under the tax bringing the roster to 13 with Cousins, and you actually have guys that can play instead of deadbeats like Asik/Ajinca/Diallo/hurt Solo/hurt Allen/hurt Jackson.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 9:08 am to TigerinATL
Honestly I want a swing for the fences kind of move.
I assume we are resigning Boogie for perhaps a little less than the max, and that we are definitely trading our pick.
Can we get Wes Matthews? He's a piece I feel could be part of a big 4 when Boogie comes back, plus he brings defence + intangibles. Might have to move Moore as well.
I think you could get him for a first and a second, Moore plus asik, perhaps one of Jackson or Diallo, and perhaps filler to match salaries. If we have to move another first I'd do that too.
If Dallas can throw in a serviceable big I'd take that too. But you can't replace Boogie so wouldn't look to do that. Conversly getting serviceable bigs is very doable, sign Noel off waivers maybe, or pickup Bogut, it's not a stretch by any means.
Getting depth pieces imo won't help much, not the rest of the seasin nor the playoffs. Even before Boogie went down we probably needed a difference maker to really compete for anything significant.
That's my line of thinking anyway, get a starter then when hook gets back we're closer to 7ish deep these playoffs, and maybe we have a framework for when Boogie gets back.
I assume we are resigning Boogie for perhaps a little less than the max, and that we are definitely trading our pick.
Can we get Wes Matthews? He's a piece I feel could be part of a big 4 when Boogie comes back, plus he brings defence + intangibles. Might have to move Moore as well.
I think you could get him for a first and a second, Moore plus asik, perhaps one of Jackson or Diallo, and perhaps filler to match salaries. If we have to move another first I'd do that too.
If Dallas can throw in a serviceable big I'd take that too. But you can't replace Boogie so wouldn't look to do that. Conversly getting serviceable bigs is very doable, sign Noel off waivers maybe, or pickup Bogut, it's not a stretch by any means.
Getting depth pieces imo won't help much, not the rest of the seasin nor the playoffs. Even before Boogie went down we probably needed a difference maker to really compete for anything significant.
That's my line of thinking anyway, get a starter then when hook gets back we're closer to 7ish deep these playoffs, and maybe we have a framework for when Boogie gets back.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 9:09 am to Tin_Food
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Can we get Wes Matthews? He's a piece I feel could be part of a big 4 when Boogie comes back, plus he brings defence + intangibles. Might have to move Moore as well.
He can be the sensei to boogie on how to dropoff coming back from an Achilles injury.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 9:19 am to Pendulum
I think I oversold him lol, just had a look at his numbers and he's somewhat underwhelming.
Perhaps a slightly better Moore with better versatility on defend.
Oh well, let's swing for kemba then!! No point getting depth, we'll need starters/borderline starters.
Perhaps a slightly better Moore with better versatility on defend.
Oh well, let's swing for kemba then!! No point getting depth, we'll need starters/borderline starters.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 9:57 am to Tin_Food
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Oh well, let's swing for kemba then!! No point getting depth, we'll need starters/borderline starters.
This team can't afford to swing for the fences. Cousins will still most likely get a max deal and his $12 million raise will make it very difficult to add anyone significant and stay below the tax next year.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:45 am to TeddyPadillac
its not terrible, but it's complicated.
ultimately, i think it is a little short-sighted (and a little too kind of an evaluation on Valentine/Grant) but it is tricky at this time given all the unknowns with Cousins.
ultimately, i think it is a little short-sighted (and a little too kind of an evaluation on Valentine/Grant) but it is tricky at this time given all the unknowns with Cousins.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 12:11 pm to corndeaux
I think most are either unrealistic or ignore the likely tax implications next year, but a few are interesting
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With Chicago getting a 1st from the Pels and Jazz.
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With a Pels 1st going to Chicago
With Chicago getting a 1st from the Pels and Jazz.
With a Pels 1st going to Chicago
This post was edited on 1/28/18 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 1/28/18 at 12:20 pm to TigerinATL
Utah stuff is interesting.
I get a Mirotic trade. I guess I'm a little confused why the Bulls are dumping young, cheap supporting guys the Pels would want for dead salary and mid to late 1sts. Chicago has Markannen, Lavine, and Dunn (playing well before concussion) core. No real salary problems and a top 10 pick this year. What am I missing?
I get a Mirotic trade. I guess I'm a little confused why the Bulls are dumping young, cheap supporting guys the Pels would want for dead salary and mid to late 1sts. Chicago has Markannen, Lavine, and Dunn (playing well before concussion) core. No real salary problems and a top 10 pick this year. What am I missing?
This post was edited on 1/28/18 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 1/28/18 at 12:31 pm to TigerinATL
There isn't a trade out there that we should make that has us taking on more than 5-6M in salary back, and Asik cannot be included in it. That is necessary to avoid the tax next year.
Asik needs to play, so does Diallo, and if Diallo can't, then he doesn't need to be the roster next year. Ajinca needs to be traded for 2 guys that can actually play. Simple as that.
We have zero use for Alec Burks play or salary. Hes a slightly worse more expensive Moore.
Asik needs to play, so does Diallo, and if Diallo can't, then he doesn't need to be the roster next year. Ajinca needs to be traded for 2 guys that can actually play. Simple as that.
We have zero use for Alec Burks play or salary. Hes a slightly worse more expensive Moore.
This post was edited on 1/28/18 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 1/28/18 at 1:05 pm to TeddyPadillac
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We have zero use for Alec Burks play or salary. Hes a slightly worse more expensive Moore.
I generally agree with what you said about only doing an Ajinca sized trade, but Burks can get his own points, which we can use this year with Cousins out, and will be an expiring next year. I would think an $11 million expiring scorer that can put up 18 points per 36 is a guy you can dump or flip for a cheaper but still useful player. The problem with Burks is he's injury prone so there is some degree of risk there.
This post was edited on 1/28/18 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 1/28/18 at 1:11 pm to TigerinATL
If there's a way to get Burks and stay under the tax, I'm open to it. I don't think we can afford to pay one more guy that much money. We need 3 guys with that money.
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