re: tOfficial Pels Coaching Search Thread (minor stein update re: Lee and Green)

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the person that is hiring my manager doesn't consult with me or anyone else at my level about who he should hire.

Griff shouldn't have to consult with them. He should be around them enough to know what kind of coach would be best for them, regardless of what kind of coach those two think they would like.

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But I would guess you do not work in a professional basketball league that is run by the players.

Remember when Gentry was hired and AD was happy about music at practice? I guarantee you that's all the players care about, getting a personality that fits better.

The rumored Ingram complaint that Stan didn't run BI/Zion P&R made it sound like Ingram brought it up and the idea was rejected, or at least ignored. No wonder they didn't buy in. Trust is a 2 way street and personality fit will matter a lot more to the players than any Xs and Os background.

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You'll recall that Griffin said he was not going to consult Zion or BI.

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Incoming wall of text...My statement I'll make below I'll say is partially Pels specific but also just in general...


I think it's ultimately a slippery slope for the front office because no matter what you do, it can always backfire. Don't consult with Zion/BI, they may get mad. But flipside, what if we did consult with them and both were adamant they wanted someone like Jason Kidd and Griff was just like, "no chance." Now we heard them out, and went against their wishes, again it could backfire.

But my larger point is if players want to exert this much power, they need to be treated as such. Again, I have no idea if Zion is actually even doing this kind of thing behind the scenes, so if not, cool it doesn't apply to him. But whether you're 20 or 25, if you want use that player empowerment to call shots(think Luka) then ok that's fine, but now your front office should treat you like you're Lebron, Kawhi, Steph. Meaning you should be held accountable to the highest degree. You should be coming into camp in the best shape possible, better than anyone else on the team. You should never have your effort question in big spots. You should 100% be the leader of the team and making sure players fall in line. If you want to have that much say, you need to do all those other things as well.

But again, circling back to my original point, it can still all backfire. Players may want to be empowered but not have you check them on these things, so it's just very tough for ownership. For me ultimately, I'd be 100% ok with Griff giving a little of that tough love to Zion in the even that Zion wanted to have that much of a say and be involved to that degree on front office issues, even if it meant Zion souring on Griff down the road. You can't just let the player make all the decisions with no accountability, that ultimately won't work either.

Per a source, Boston Celtics All-Stars Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown, as well as longest-tenured Celtic Marcus Smart gave Brad Stevens their stamp approval on the Ime Udoka hire. Source said: "Udoka is the guy their main guys wanted and Stevens got him before anyone else could."

— Keith Smith (@KeithSmithNBA) June 23, 2021

just reading how some of these other teams operate.... we're butt-fricked

Wow! The team got a good coach that their star players wanted. Sounds refreshing! Looking at you Griff!!

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Those 3 guys have played in a conference finals. They've played in the playoffs the last 4 years that they've been together. They have a lot more experience than BI/Zion's zero playoff games. They have no idea what they are looking for in a coach that actually matters b/c they've never experienced being coached in games where coaching actually matters, like in the playoffs.

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None of that crap matters. I hate it that the NBA is this way, but the players run the league and other teams cater to their stars. Griffin is just like SVG in that he comes from a different time of the NBA and does not know how to relate to the current player.

Agreed. They went ahead and picked the coach without consulting the players the first time around and they totally fricked it up. If I were in their shoes, I would have 0 confidence in their pick the second time around. At the end of the day, the coach that comes in will need the players to buy in 100% and play hard for him especially when things take a turn for the worst.

No one is saying they should allow the players to pick the coach, they definitely need their stamp of approval in this hire.

Kinda wish Griff would interview Willie Green. Everywhere he’s gone as a coach he’s teams have been elite

And yet, we continue to be the only team ever interested in this guy. Let some other team find out if that Orlando W/L record is deceiving, because I don't want to find out.

NOBODY else is giving Jacque Vaughn a HC job. The same was true for Gentry and SVG. Why do we keep doing this?

Just hire Lee and get this over with.