re: The Pelicans Open to Trading Vast Majority of Roster

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His value is at an all time low. You have time to repair it to a degree that gets you something decent moving forward. You dont sell a stock when its fallen off a cliff.

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This. Unfortunately, I don’t see a scenario where we trade Zion until next year. CJ and BI need to go for assets though and pray we get one of the top 2 picks this year and next year. If so, we’ll probably be ok

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We got Graham, Jonas and Murphy

They got Adams, Bledsoe, Zaire Williams and Jared Hutler

I think the Hornets got the 15th pick in a shitty draft.

We absolutely won that trade.

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We absolutely did not.
We gave up assets to sign a Free Agent, then used more assets to get rid of him.
Meanwhile we got no assets back that were worth a shite to let our own Free Agent go that same offseason in Lonzo.

We had to give up assets to move Adams and Bledsoe, and we gave up assets to get Adams from the get go.

You're simply looking at the official trade today when that's not how any of that happened.
It wasn't one gigantic trade for all those pieces together.

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Jose is an intriguing player because his true value is mostly wrapped up in intangibles

Me personally, I think confidence and intelligence are more important than they’ve ever been. I want cost controlled guys like Jose who will LIFT those around him up. Help them play free. It’s obvious why he wins his minutes when we don’t completely suck.

Jose’s never gonna break our bank to keep here, so his value shouldn’t diminish much for awhile like other players who escalate up. I don’t see why trade him now if he carries similar value later. Does a Caruso/McConnell value fluctuate much? No.

It is more than him being a “fan favorite”. It’s the reason he is. Built purely off joy and desire. That’s exactly how you’d want every player on your team to play.

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Except there's no "joy" watching this team. I for one have never been someone to settle. Especially in a shitty situation...

None of this matters. I'm glad many share a good personal opinion of Jose.... Does he move the needle or matter in the grand scheme of things? No not even a little.

It is NOT more than him being a fan favorite... "Fan favorite" is the exact reason the argument his value is "everything" except a valuable player on a playoff team.

Y'alls argument is literally "this guy has such little value/cost that there's no reason to move him"

That's more reason in my mind to move him. Yeah everyone knows who Jose is, another role player on a losing team. (That we took undrafted)

The same reason y'all want to keep him "we know who he is" "his best value is in intangibles" "He's undrafted" is the same reason we should trade him.

So y'all would rather keep an undrafted player that you know doesn't move the needle > potentially upgrading at 0 risk.

This isn't a Jose argument its a "let go and stop getting attached to players that wont win us anything" argument.

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We got Graham, Jonas and Murphy

They got Adams, Bledsoe, Zaire Williams and Jared Hutler

I think the Hornets got the 15th pick in a shitty draft.

We absolutely won that trade.

the issue is our big pieces don’t play.

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Like Teddy said, not what happened at all. We gave up a first round pick for Graham. This trade was later included with the Jonas/Murphy trade on draft day because it helped matched salaries, but the original trade that us and Charlotte agreed too was Graham for a first round pick. Graham played 1.5 shitty years year and then we traded four! 2nd round picks to get rid of Graham.

So we basically traded a first round pick and 4 second round picks for a year and a half of Devonte Graham. Then we traded Dyson Daniels and 2 first round picks for Murray. So Griff has traded Dyson Daniels, Devonte Graham, 3 first round picks and 4 second round picks for a Murray.

If anyone asks what happened to our "war chest" of picks, Griff threw them away chasing a point guard. Oh and please don't forget that we could've drafted Garland in 2019 but traded that pick for 2 busts.

yeah the graham deal was 100% a desperate signing to fill the lonzo ball shooter role because of griffs failed attempt to sign Lowry to a max and also taking too long to trade Lonzo.

well... thats depressing

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I said give it a few years and we’d regret the trade. Wait till DD hits his full potential.

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Or the most likely scenario, he doesn't.

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We absolutely did not.
We gave up assets to sign a Free Agent, then used more assets to get rid of him.
Meanwhile we got no assets back that were worth a shite to let our own Free Agent go that same offseason in Lonzo.

We had to give up assets to move Adams and Bledsoe, and we gave up assets to get Adams from the get go.

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I don't think the correct way to value a trade is to see what you did with draft assets after the trade. Those are separate transactions, should be judged separately.


If I may make an absurd hypothetical...if we traded BI for the #1 pick in the draft and drafted Cooper Flagg, but then Cooper flagg turns out to be a massive bust or has a career ending injury in year 1, would you really argue we lost that trade? I just don't think that's the right way to do it.

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Are we going to pretend that you aren't just obsessed with CJ

No,b ut you love to pretend...or downright lie about me with respect to CJ. I've called you out for it multiple times and every time I do, you immediately stop responding to me about it, which tells me you know I'm correct.

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So I've "pretended" to get in ridiculous arguments with you because CJ's name is mentioned with negative comments?? You legit pop up ANYTIME someone says a bad thing about CJ. For several years now..

The lack of awareness is scary if you actually think otherwise.

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What did we lose? What player could we have gotten by letting CJ walk? Would we be better right now and over the last 3+ years without CJ?

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Well we wouldn't have to hear about how much you want to suck his dick that's for sure.

We may have younger players and/or more cap space. Maybe we would have made another trade by now. Keeping him is pushing our timeline back.

Is this where you argue that CJ "won us a whole bunch of games" and ignore where he shot us out of a whole bunch of games.

Dude is a good role model, congrats.

Why do I have to argue what we "lost"? What the frick have we gained since CJ??? Oh nothing? Cool

Again your argument is what we "lose or gain" by having CJ and not just simply "what else can we do knowing he won't win us a championship".