re: Scoot Wants to be in New Orleans & Zion is Available, per Chris Haynes

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All indications are that he's an All Star caliber draft pick. You definitely trade non All Star caliber assets to get that if you can. But I don't see how Dyson + Herb + Stuff gets you the type of Win Now player Portland would want in return. Mikal Bridges, Bam and Jaylen Brown are just as if not more expensive than Ingram. The only distressed property player of this caliber is KAT. Maybe you could turn Pels stuff into KAT and that would get you Scoot.

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I don’t know who that player would be either, but I would be counting on Portlands desperation here a little bit. But could Herb or Dyson and a couple of firsts bring back OG? Or maybe Simmons, Herb and a couple firsts, which would seem like a massive overpay for an expiring OG. Siakim, Paul George, Porzingas, I don’t know. But we would have to satisfy what those teams want, and then add to it for Portland. Otherwise those teams may just want Scoot themselves. Definitely not a very likely equation, but that’s the framework of trying.

Another one of my theories is that Portlands “compelling offer” for Bam included a bunch of things from us. Portland doesn’t have a compelling offer on their own IMO.

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It’s obvious no deal gets done without either BI or Zion, so if Griff had really shut this down and walked away the leak parade from the other 2 teams wouldn’t continue. It at least would have stopped with Charlotte, continuing with Portland says Griff never firmly said no.

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Yep. If it were a year ago, Griff would have told Windhorst that we aren't trading Zion, and that would be the end of it.

Even if we end up keeping Zion, this off-season represents a complete change in the front office's relationship with Zion. It's the end of the coddling. Catering to Zion and trying to please him ended up as a dismal failure. Tough love and accountability is the new plan.

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oot Wants to be in New Orleans

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You had me at Wants.

Move on porn roller coaster fat boy.

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Anybody gonna be upset if we move Dyson, Herb, and a few 1sts to get Scoot?

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Absolutely not. Love Herb, but that deal would be a homerun

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All indications are that he's an All Star caliber draft pick. You definitely trade non All Star caliber assets to get that if you can. But I don't see how Dyson + Herb + Stuff gets you the type of Win Now player Portland would want in return. Mikal Bridges, Bam and Jaylen Brown are just as if not more expensive than Ingram.

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I don't see how it gets you him either.

Would hate to get rid of trey in any trade but you have to do it.

What do you value more:

Trey, Herb, Dyson or Scoot

Personally, I still prefer the trio.

There is no way you’re moving up for a guy as highly regarded as scoot without any of Zion, BI, or Trey included.

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There is no way you’re moving up for a guy as highly regarded as scoot without any of Zion, BI, or Trey included.

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If Portland would take KAT and Minnesota didn't want Scoot because they feel he's too redundant with Ant, I could see a way the Pels could be the 3rd team and walk away with the best player by cobbling together a lot of stuff to make a desperate Minnesota and Portland both take a loss to get close to what they want. That's the only way it happens though, by having 2 desperate teams in the right place at the right time. Even then it seems unlikely.

And to me Trey is both untouchable and not good enough to be the centerpiece of this deal. It's either BI/Zion or Dyson + Herb + Stuff to a desperate 3rd team with a spare All Starish caliber player.