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re: Primary Pelicans starting lineup has one of the worst Net Ratings in league
Posted on 2/15/24 at 5:44 pm to Split2874
Posted on 2/15/24 at 5:44 pm to Split2874
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I feel like he is a good #2 PG. He is still young and figuring it out. He does get to pumped up at times and trys to play beyond his abilities
The biggest issue is his height. The Modern NBA backcourt is getting much larger.
If Jose was 6'7 he would start.
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Posted on 2/15/24 at 5:45 pm to 50_Tiger
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If Jose was 6'7 he would start.
If Jose was 6'7 he might be our franchise player.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 6:00 pm to TigerinATL
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If Jose was 6'7 he might be our franchise player.
Probably? He would be Dyson but with Offense
Edit: Offense and Swag. Swag is the biggest one
This post was edited on 2/15/24 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 2/15/24 at 6:01 pm to Fun Bunch
Pelicans are most deadly when they are formed into well-organised squadrons. 
Posted on 2/15/24 at 7:28 pm to Fun Bunch
I'm pretty much convinced that the most important player the Pels currently have...that will determine whether or not they can become a serious playoff contender is...Dyson Daniels.
We desperately need that 2nd elite defensive player in the lineup...and DD is our only option. He MUST develope into, at least, an average offensive player...& I think he can do that. DD will make Herb a better defensive player...as it is MUCH more difficult to avoid a solid defender if he is NOT the ONLY shutdown player on your team. Without DD, teams will just "go away" from Herb and pretty much neutralize his defensive strength.
Worst case...we make DD our dedicated corner 3 shooter. He will ONLY take C&S corner 3s. There are a bunch of those "types" out there across the league. He shot 36% last year on corner 3s and is shooting 39% this year. I hate dedicated corner 3 players...just too many downsides associated with that "style". But...I don' think it will come to that with DD...I like his potential.
We desperately need that 2nd elite defensive player in the lineup...and DD is our only option. He MUST develope into, at least, an average offensive player...& I think he can do that. DD will make Herb a better defensive player...as it is MUCH more difficult to avoid a solid defender if he is NOT the ONLY shutdown player on your team. Without DD, teams will just "go away" from Herb and pretty much neutralize his defensive strength.
Worst case...we make DD our dedicated corner 3 shooter. He will ONLY take C&S corner 3s. There are a bunch of those "types" out there across the league. He shot 36% last year on corner 3s and is shooting 39% this year. I hate dedicated corner 3 players...just too many downsides associated with that "style". But...I don' think it will come to that with DD...I like his potential.
This post was edited on 2/15/24 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 2/15/24 at 7:49 pm to shel311
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breaking up Zion/BI is the way to go...more specifically moving BI. It's all just so obvious at this point IMO.
It's not obvious. I honestly don't know that you can ever build a consistent winner around Zion. He is just too unreliable in every aspect.
I also think all of the fit issues are Zion issues more than Ingram.
This post was edited on 2/15/24 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 2/15/24 at 8:31 pm to Split2874
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I feel like if they leaned into Point Zion at the bigging of the game things would sort themselves out
quote:Nailed it
They have to figure out the starting 5 either with scheme or players
The starting lineup struggles on offense cause it has 4 dudes who can score, at least 3 of which like the ball in their hands most.
They have no identity. Make Point Zion the identity.
Doesn't really solve the defense, but better offense is a great way to improve defense.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 8:32 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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It's not obvious. I honestly don't know that you can ever build a consistent winner around Zion. He is just too unreliable in every aspect. I also think all of the fit issues are Zion issues more than Ingram.
A team with Brandon Ingram as its best player is going nowhere fast. You really want to build a team around a top 40 player who couldn’t make an all star team to save his life?
Show me a team that’s had success built like that.
Zion is absolutely unreliable but he’s the best chance we have.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 8:38 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:Here's the thing, I agree here with everything you said here, I don't know either if you can build around Zion, but...
I honestly don't know that you can ever build a consistent winner around Zion. He is just too unreliable in every aspect
I do know, and I'd hope everyone does too, that you absolutely cannot build a consistent winner with BI as your best player.
That's why the play is to move BI.
This post was edited on 2/15/24 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 2/15/24 at 9:45 pm to whatiknowsofar
I think the board realizes, along with the national media, that the Pels have to make a decision this summer on who WILL BE the franchise player moving forward.
Point Zion is more promising and aesthetically more pleasing to watch than Point Ingram. It is what it is.
Unfortunately, I think, unless we get to the Conference Finals or NBA Finals, the Pels are likely to trade Brandon especially if Zion makes an All-NBA team which is looking more realistic with a few players not likely to hit the 65 game benchmark.
I feel B.I. will be traded and JV will be re-signed but traded at next year's deadline.
The league needs to re-evaluate how the luxury tax affects small market teams that draft well bc it hurts them in the long run. OKC will soon have the same dellima. They need to figure out how to not penalize teams who draft well and build a roster. The Pels draft success as of late will now be their undoing. It sucks.
What's crazy is I think Gayle's willingness to go into the tax will be based on the Saints success and postseason chances. She probably be more willing to go into the tax if the Saints can make up some of the difference with a lengthy playoff run.
We think Griff runs the Pels until Mickey starts to tell Gayle that football is King. Don't believe it? Watch.
Point Zion is more promising and aesthetically more pleasing to watch than Point Ingram. It is what it is.
Unfortunately, I think, unless we get to the Conference Finals or NBA Finals, the Pels are likely to trade Brandon especially if Zion makes an All-NBA team which is looking more realistic with a few players not likely to hit the 65 game benchmark.
I feel B.I. will be traded and JV will be re-signed but traded at next year's deadline.
The league needs to re-evaluate how the luxury tax affects small market teams that draft well bc it hurts them in the long run. OKC will soon have the same dellima. They need to figure out how to not penalize teams who draft well and build a roster. The Pels draft success as of late will now be their undoing. It sucks.
What's crazy is I think Gayle's willingness to go into the tax will be based on the Saints success and postseason chances. She probably be more willing to go into the tax if the Saints can make up some of the difference with a lengthy playoff run.
We think Griff runs the Pels until Mickey starts to tell Gayle that football is King. Don't believe it? Watch.
This post was edited on 2/15/24 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 2/16/24 at 7:45 am to TigerinATL
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That would require leaning into the offense, which doesn't seem like something Willie is comfortable doing.
He forgot to mention that we would be firing Willie and hiring D'Antoni
Posted on 2/16/24 at 7:49 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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It's not obvious. I honestly don't know that you can ever build a consistent winner around Zion. He is just too unreliable in every aspect.
I also think all of the fit issues are Zion issues more than Ingram.
Option 1 is building a team around Zion.
Option 2 is building a team around a player not on the team currently, because you can't build a team around the 30th best player in the league, and Zion is the only player on the roster with potential to be much higher than that.
Posted on 2/16/24 at 7:51 am to Ijuschill1
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Unfortunately, I think, unless we get to the Conference Finals or NBA Finals, the Pels are likely to trade Brandon especially if Zion makes an All-NBA team which is looking more realistic with a few players not likely to hit the 65 game benchmark.
Zion is on pace for exactly 65 games, he might not hit it either
ETA: even if he does hit it, do you think that he's going to be voted as a top 15 player in the league this season? He'd have to have a monster last third of the year for that to happen.
This post was edited on 2/16/24 at 7:58 am
Posted on 2/16/24 at 8:48 am to shel311
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The starting lineup struggles on offense cause it has 4 dudes who can score, at least 3 of which like the ball in their hands most.
The starting lineup struggles because you have three guys who think they need to "get going early"... when really the only one who needs to establish himself from tip-off is Zion
Zion playing well opens everything up for BI, CJ, Trey, etc. BI and CJ shooting mid-range jumpers does not help anyone but themselves
Posted on 2/16/24 at 8:50 am to jmcwhrter
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CJ shooting mid-range jumpers
Let's pump the brakes on this narrative. CJ has changed his whole shot profile this year. At least 80% of his shots are 3s/floaters at the rim, with far less stepback 3pa
Posted on 2/16/24 at 10:08 am to jmcwhrter
quote:And like I said, the issue is that 3 of them need the ball in their hands to be effective.
The starting lineup struggles because you have three guys who think they need to "get going early"... when really the only one who needs to establish himself from tip-off is Zion
quote:Well good thing he doesn't have that issue.
and CJ shooting mid-range jumpers does not help anyone but themselves
Only 16% of his shots are mid to long range 2s, down from his career avg of 30%.
I do find it odd that you felt it needed to be said about CJ specifically and not BI, who shoots 47% of his shots from mid to long range 2s.
Posted on 2/16/24 at 11:20 am to jmcwhrter
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The starting lineup struggles because you have three guys who think they need to "get going early"
CJ is the complete opposite of this. He has completely changed his game to be a complementary player to Zion and BI.
Posted on 2/16/24 at 11:20 am to shel311
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ultimately, breaking up Zion/BI is the way to go...more specifically moving BI. It's all just so obvious at this point IMO.
What trades will be out there in the off season for bi?
To me, most of the trades talked about on here have been shite.
Let's say that bi gets traded for bridges and a couple other things.
Does that make the pels that much better? Are they an instant contender? I don't really believe that.
Posted on 2/16/24 at 11:22 am to whatiknowsofar
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new favorite dumbass thing I've read about Jose is that he wouldn't play on any other NBA team but ours. Like what fricking world are we living in when a dude with multiple years of winning minutes (arguably the most important stat for bench players) "wouldn't play for any nba team but Pels"
Shite, about half the people on here want to trade him and don't think he earns his minutes.
Posted on 2/16/24 at 11:24 am to 504Voodoo
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CJ has done a great job of adapting as the 3rd scorer and has become an excellent catch-and-shoot option, he has reached the stage of his career where he may be better as the lead guard off the bench.
Nah.
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