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re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:13 pm to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:13 pm to whatiknowsofar
They maybe interested, but not with that package
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Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:36 pm to touchdownjeebus
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And frick Klutch.
can't argue that one either.
I'm not advocating we actively pursue getting Simmons. I'm merely pointing out how i could see it working under a best case scenario. Everyone just immediately says it would never work, but i could without a doubt see it, with the right roster construction, working really well.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:38 pm to TeddyPadillac
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No i wouldn't want him playing the 5 against Jokic, or Embiid. Zion needs to step the frick up too. His big arse needs to be guarding some of these big arse non offensive 5's like Gobert. All you have to do with them is block them out, and Zion should be the best block out defender in the league with his huge arse.
So arent we basically saying that Simmons and Zion do not optimally compliment each other well defensively...And they are less than ideal together offensively as well.
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wouldn't you love to run a pick and roll with Zion and Simmons and have Jokic have to defend it? He's not going to step up, so as long as the screener can set a good screen and keep that defender behind him as he rolls
Why would he need to step up??
Neither Zion or Simmons is a threat to hit a jumper. It's literally a gift for guys like Jokic/Adams/Gobert/Howard/Embiid. You can stay home all day and just focus on contesting at the rim and clogging lanes for alley-oops. I mean we saw this last year, Adams can set you a nice screen but teams just build walls and then dare us to shoot. You need someone in the PnR that has the ability to do more than just drive and score around the rim against better teams.
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I get what you are saying about Simmons defense being wasted at the 5 though, and it's a good point. Maybe having a 5 like Myles Turner that can hit open 3's would work offensively, and allow Simmons to defend the perimeter.
You would need someone like Kat for this to even be a possibility, and even than it's not ideal.
Thats the catch 22 I spoke about initially. Put Simmons at the 5 and it's not playing to either Zion or Simmons strengths. Keep a center in and now you have 2 non-shooters that occupy the same space and both require the ball to be effective offensively. Which also isn't playing to both's strengths.
Both players really need the same thing, and neither of those things features the other: Lots of spacing, rim protection, secondary playmakers that can play on and off the ball. 4 other guys that can hit threes reliably, a couple of them that can play-make and be three level guys.
This post was edited on 9/15/21 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 9/15/21 at 5:10 pm to touchdownjeebus
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And frick Klutch.
Yeah, all that too. I don't want another Klutch Klient here ever again if possible.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 5:12 pm to whatiknowsofar
If somehow Simmons did revive his career, he would IMMEDIATELY demand to be traded to a bigger market, due to Klutch.
This screams as Klutch using us and our assets as a way to get lukewarm teams they want him on to pony up more.
This screams as Klutch using us and our assets as a way to get lukewarm teams they want him on to pony up more.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 6:11 pm to Bronc
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Asik/Zion, Lonzo/Bled l
Give me a break - Asik was a white dinosaur who had no place in the NBA even before we traded for him.
Bledsoe’s defence is not comparable to what Simmons would bring. Lonzo would have paired nicely tho.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 6:13 pm to 504Voodoo
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What sense does it make to bring in a Max pseudo star if he makes the life on the court for your two best guys more difficult?
Simmons starred at LSU and will pack the blender nightly with rabid Tiger fans. It’s a no brainer - my only worry is Sean Payton vetoing any deal because of his 15-year embargo on any LSU players
Posted on 9/15/21 at 6:58 pm to SirWinston
As a rabid Tiger basketball fan, I would never want Simmons on any team that I pull for again. He is all about himself. He gave up on the Tigers at the end of the year. I believe he is one of the reasons that LSU turned down a NIT bid.
Besides, he is a Klutch client and can't shoot any shot over 6 feet distance with a high percentage.
Besides, he is a Klutch client and can't shoot any shot over 6 feet distance with a high percentage.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 7:20 pm to SCP
You gotta love sports media. All you hear is that we don't have enough spacing around Zion, and now they want us to trade for Ben Simmons 
Posted on 9/16/21 at 7:11 am to Bronc
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So arent we basically saying that Simmons and Zion do not optimally compliment each other well defensively...And they are less than ideal together offensively as well.
Not really. I'm saying there aren't many players in the NBA that are capable of defending Jokic or Embiid, and if they are, they sure as hell can't defend the perimeter too.
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Why would he need to step up??
I didn't say they had to. The point was they never will, and it gives Zion and Simmons a head start on gaining that momentum towards the rim. If you effectively set the pick then it's a 2 on 1 with Zion/Simmons against Jokic. We win that 9/10.
Then you'll start seeing the ball handlers defender sagging off so he doesn't get screened. That's when the ball handler needs to be able to hit a short jumper/floater in the lane, and Simmons has done that many times.
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I mean we saw this last year, Adams can set you a nice screen but teams just build walls and then dare us to shoot
B/c Simmons rolling to the rim is the same as Adams rolling to the rim
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Put Simmons at the 5 and it's not playing to either Zion or Simmons strengths.
Simmons isn't a 5 on the break, just in the halfcourt. You can say what you want, but until that happens, he'll be worthless in the halfcourt on any team, same thing happened with Lonzo.
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Both players really need the same thing, and neither of those things features the other: Lots of spacing, rim protection, secondary playmakers that can play on and off the ball. 4 other guys that can hit threes reliably, a couple of them that can play-make and be three level guys.
I agree. Like i said, i'm just pointing out that i personally don't think it would absolutely not work with Zion/SImmons. It can work. Just need the right players around them. Now can they win a championship? Probably not, unless Simmons learns how to make a FT. I could care less about him making 3's, but you can't be a bully down low attacking the rim while being a putrid FT shooter
Posted on 9/16/21 at 2:38 pm to whatiknowsofar
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The package after Sept 30 (purely speculative): Graham NAW Hart Haye Pick
I’d make that trade. Hart is pretty much on a one year deal and gone. Hate to give up Hayes out of all of them. But looks like we giving up 5 nickels for a quarter. Simmons is by far the best player in the group and that’s the rule in the NBA regarding trades, you win the trade 9 times outta 10 if your team gets the best player in the trade…..
I hate Klutch with a passion and the guy isn’t great fit but you worry about that later once you see how they play together. A stretch 5 would solve most issues I think.
This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 9/16/21 at 2:51 pm to Townedrunkard
So much about Simmons is just antithesis to the Pelicans:
1. Klutch. If you don't think Klutch has burned bridges with this franchise with the Davis and Ball situations, you're fooling yourself. Small market teams would be absolutely foolish to trade for a Klutch client.
2. He's a terrible shooter and extremely redundant with Zion offensively.
3. He has very questionable heart.
4. He's a terrible shooter and extremely redundant with Zion offensively.
1. Klutch. If you don't think Klutch has burned bridges with this franchise with the Davis and Ball situations, you're fooling yourself. Small market teams would be absolutely foolish to trade for a Klutch client.
2. He's a terrible shooter and extremely redundant with Zion offensively.
3. He has very questionable heart.
4. He's a terrible shooter and extremely redundant with Zion offensively.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 2:51 pm to Townedrunkard
A defensive specialist that cant play the 4th qtr due to abysmal FT%. Has questions about his attitude and work ethic. Is represented by an organization that has already screwed us over multiple times. Has a drama cloud that follows him. He doesn't fit with our best player, he isn't a leader, and yet many of yall wanna pay him a bazillion to kill our team. It really blows my mind.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 2:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If somehow Simmons did revive his career, he would IMMEDIATELY demand to be traded to a bigger market, due to Klutch.
This screams as Klutch using us and our assets as a way to get lukewarm teams they want him on to pony up more.
That's exactly what this is, and I wish Griffin would publicly state that we have zero interest in Simmons. Is it tampering if you say you want nothing to do with a player? It certainly shouldn't be.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 2:53 pm to SirWinston
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Simmons starred at LSU and will pack the blender nightly with rabid Tiger fans
LSU Fans hate his guts
Posted on 9/16/21 at 2:54 pm to SirWinston
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Simmons starred at LSU and will pack the blender nightly with rabid Tiger fans.
No he won't. Most LSU fans think he's an ungrateful quitter.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 2:57 pm to TeddyPadillac
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and simply work on being a better basketball player without all the attention on his game 24/7?
He won't even work on his shot in the off-season.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 2:58 pm to Chalkywhite84
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He won't even work on his shot in the off-season.
He won't even admit he isn't left-handed.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 3:12 pm to Fun Bunch
he is the only player in recent memory to wear a LSU uniform and make it to the league that I have no interest in rooting for on any level. over all the players to pass through LSU since I started watching he was my least favorite by far.
Brandon Bass, Glenn Davis, Marcus Thornton, Naz Reid, Garrett Temple, Tremont Waters, Ronald Dupree, Johnny O Bryant, Tyrus Thomas, Skylar Mays, Tasmin Mitchell, Cameron Thomas, Javonte Smart
all left LSU having made a contribution to the school and actually trying to leave some kind of mark
Brandon Bass, Glenn Davis, Marcus Thornton, Naz Reid, Garrett Temple, Tremont Waters, Ronald Dupree, Johnny O Bryant, Tyrus Thomas, Skylar Mays, Tasmin Mitchell, Cameron Thomas, Javonte Smart
all left LSU having made a contribution to the school and actually trying to leave some kind of mark
Posted on 9/16/21 at 4:22 pm to dj30
quote:Every single player we think of bringing in should be viewed through the lens of how it'll work with Zion. Simmons' fit with Zion is awful.
Yall dudes are morons. We play absolutely no defense on the perimeter. And maybe the best perimeter defensive player in the league becomes available and you say hell no.
quote:You wanna put all your eggs in the Ben Simmons will develop a jumper basket? Good luck with that.
And supposedly Vincent is some shooting God. Maybe that can be a fix also.
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