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Fun Bunch
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re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
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Fit is overrated sometimes.


I would argue fit is more important than virtually anything else.


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TeddyPadillac
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re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
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I don't disagree with what your saying teddy, I'm more concerned with Ben's mental state and his lack of effort to improve. It seems like he's content with being an athletic freak and hasn't added anything to his game since getting to the league. Two major red flags for me.



can't disagree with that, and i would expect our people to vette that out, and if they don't feel he can change a bit or show some progress on how he plans to improve, then i would absolutely not want to trade for him.


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Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
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Simmons has to be the 5


And in that scenario we will be gutted and Simmons’ elite defense is squandered because you are putting him in the one position he does not do well in. He’s fine in short bursts but it makes little sense to pay the beat perimeter defender in the league to come in and play center next to an around the rim player that will want the ball in his hands 35-50 percent of possessions while Simmons gives you nothing.

He is not a rim protector and doesn’t bang with bigger centers well. He’s also not an elite rebounder.

It’s a terrible fit and that roster doesn’t make it better


SCP
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re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
The Pels would be idiotic to make the trade you have listed in the OP. We need shooters around Zion, not another person clogging the lane. Simmons adds some defense, but also adds a selfish personality, IMO! He is also with Klutch and a big Lebron suck up. He was all about himself at LSU and I don't believe he has changed.


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SirWinston
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re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
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So maybe actually make the case pal, explain to me how the rotation works and this unit wouldn’t be an offensive disaster?


99 Knicks, playa. Also the Bill Belichik strategy. When everyone else zigs, the market provides efficiencies for you to zag. We aren’t going to out-offence the Warriors, Nuggz, or Jazz so we should do the complete opposite and build our defence and play on our terms.



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SaintEB
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re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
There is no trade for Simmons that doesn't include Ingram. Philly wouldn't do that.


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dj30
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re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
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He's not for us, we should hold out for future stars that become availabl


Future stars who have no interest in coming to New Orleans. But hey, keep holding out for that and try to be as optimistic as possible for the Devonte Grahams of the world.


504Voodoo
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re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
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Fit is overrated sometimes.


How did improper fit workout for the Pels last season or the Embied/Simmons years so far


brmark70816
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re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
Talent generally overcomes. It happens time after time. The Nets shouldn't work together. But they are all willing to sacrifice. Good organizations make it happen.

It is insulting to me to believe that Zion or Ingram has to be surrounded by only certain players for them to be successful. That just doesn't make sense. They will be fine and they don't positionally conflict with Simmons. They can easily co-exist on the floor together.

It is working in Philly. The Sixers had the best record in the East and the 3rd best record overall. They want a ring and everybody choked in the playoffs. They want to blame Simmons. But I'd take top 3 in the league for now. Its a big improvement..


Brettesaurus Rex
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re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
Please don’t lol


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504Voodoo
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re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
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Talent generally overcomes. It happens time after time. The Nets shouldn't work together. But they are all willing to sacrifice. Good organizations make it happen.


The Nets big 3's skillsets do not conflict with one another. Them being able to sacrifice isn't the issue with the Pels.

Sure. Zion was able to still perform at a high level last season despite the lack of shooting around him, but the offense often got bogged down due to the lack of spacing.

B.I. struggled more than Zion because teams were just leaving the likes of Adams, Bledsoe, and even Lonzo to clog the paint and driving lanes. B.I. Had no room to work and neither did Zion.

Adding a guy like Simmons who has proven to be an unwilling shooter is just frankly a terrible idea.


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They will be fine and they don't positionally conflict with Simmons. They can easily co-exist on the floor together.



In a half-court setting, Ben actually does conflict with both BI and Zion. In the half-court, Ben was relegated to standing in the dunkers spot after an initial action with him was completed. We just went through a season with a guy (Adams) that couldn't shoot hovering around the dunkers spot. Teams will simply help off of Ben to clog the lanes for Zion and BI.

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t is working in Philly


Is it though?

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The Sixers had the best record in the East and the 3rd best record overall. They want a ring and everybody choked in the playoffs. They want to blame Simmons


Sure they had great regular seasons, but when you are a team with championship aspirations, it comes down to being able to beat the 3-4 best teams in the league. We've had enough evidence to show that Ben isn't a guy long for the playoffs at the highest levels where he has been exposed time and time again. The sixers fell to a Hawks team. Not the Bucks. Not the Nets. The Hawks.



dj30
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2006
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re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
Dude, we can't even make the playoffs. We need any and all talent we can get. We have maybe the worst backcourt in the entire NBA on paper.


Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
5650 posts

re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
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We aren’t going to out-offence the Warriors, Nuggz, or Jazz so we should do the complete opposite and build our defence and play on our terms.


So basically do what we have done the last two seasons that didn’t work out?

You are word for word sounding like Griff trying to sell the Asik/Zion, Lonzo/Bled lineup last year. Right down to the “we’ll make them bend to our will” bull shite.

10 games in and guards put your bigs on skates and knock down threes in your eyes and we lack the firepower to match the better teams.

None of you are actually selling this disaster. Thankfully, no way in hell Morey does this without getting Ingram in return.



Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
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Future stars who have no interest in coming to New Orleans. But hey, keep holding out for that and try to be as optimistic as possible for the Devonte Grahams of the world.



There is zero indication Simmons is any different. In fact, all we have heard out of his camp is he wants to be in California.

And again, it’s a terrible fit and will guarantee a short lived relationship with Zion.

I question if some of you ever watched NBA basketball?


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504Voodoo
Arizona Fan
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2012
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re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
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Dude, we can't even make the playoffs. We need any and all talent we can get. We have maybe the worst backcourt in the entire NBA on paper.


What sense does it make to bring in a Max pseudo star if he makes the life on the court for your two best guys more difficult?


NolaTiger52
LSU Fan
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2018
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re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
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guess TMurph will shoot 14 3's a game for us

Let it rain sons


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TeddyPadillac
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Member since Dec 2010
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re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
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And in that scenario we will be gutted and Simmons’ elite defense is squandered because you are putting him in the one position he does not do well in.


Where is the data that says he doesn't do well in that position?
I don't know, i'm legit asking as i haven't looked it up.


No i wouldn't want him playing the 5 against Jokic, or Embiid. Zion needs to step the frick up too. His big arse needs to be guarding some of these big arse non offensive 5's like Gobert. All you have to do with them is block them out, and Zion should be the best block out defender in the league with his huge ass.
While i think Simmons would have trouble with Jokic and Embiid, wouldn't you love to run a pick and roll with Zion and Simmons and have Jokic have to defend it? He's not going to step up, so as long as the screener can set a good screen and keep that defender behind him as he rolls, Jokic has to decide how to stop the freight train coming at him or defend the alley oop, unless help comes and that's what BI/Trey/another 3P shooter are in the game for, and on top of that, Zion doesn't give a frick about 6' guards sliding over into the paint to help on him.


I get what you are saying about Simmons defense being wasted at the 5 though, and it's a good point. Maybe having a 5 like Myles Turner that can hit open 3's would work offensively, and allow Simmons to defend the perimeter.




touchdownjeebus
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Sep 2010
18215 posts

re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
no thank you. I want to see what NAW and Hayes develop into, and I heart Hart.


ghost2most
LA-Lafayette Fan
Member since Mar 2012
2551 posts

re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
The last thing we need is a weak minded pussy arse Klutch client poisoning the well for Zion.

Simmons is an a-hole and a headcase. frick all that.

Plus he's a scared bitch


touchdownjeebus
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Sep 2010
18215 posts

re: Pels rumored to be interested in Simmons
And frick Klutch.


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