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re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by shel311 on 9/16/21 at 4:24 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Can you please go ahead and make argument, and when you do keep in mind that Simmons' trade demand list of teams was LA, LA, and Golden St. I have no clue how you're going to make the argument that Simmons, for one second, would want to go to New Orleans.
so you think a guy playing in a top 5 market in the country right now, for a city that is probably harder on their own players more so than another other city in the country, wouldn't want to step away from the limelight a bit and simply work on being a better basketball player without all the attention on his game 24/7?
I could argue that our market is a match made in heaven for him right now.
re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by Townedrunkard on 9/16/21 at 5:19 pm to Milesahead
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A defensive specialist that cant play the 4th qtr due to abysmal FT%. Has questions about his attitude and work ethic. Is represented by an organization that has already screwed us over multiple times
When do defensive specialist that can’t do anything else and have to be taken off the court in the 4th make all nba teams? Guess all the experts that vote know jack shite.
And I hate Klutch as much as everyone but AD was the one that hired them to make sure he got to team up with the queen. He made that choice on his own b/c he wanted to be a beta. He coulda told the queen to F off like Paul George and Kawhi did but he’s a beta bitch. Can’t help that.
As far as the Ball situation is concerned, that’s on Griff letting Klutch punk him. We had all the leverage as all the other rfa moves later proved otherwise. Griff just bent over and took the pounding instead of playing hardball like all the other teams did with their RFA’s.
This post was edited on 9/16 at 5:23 pm
re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by shel311 on 9/16/21 at 6:48 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:You do realize these "experts" that vote for All NBA are just sportswriters...the same sportswriters we bash and never give any credit for their NBA knowledge, much less call them experts.
When do defensive specialist that can’t do anything else and have to be taken off the court in the 4th make all nba teams? Guess all the experts that vote know jack shite.
Offense is more valuable than defense for an individual player, always has been and always will be. I'm pretty sure Simmons scored in single digits in something like 4 of his final 5 playoff games this season, and he was a complete nonfactor in the 4th quarter of games. Does anyone really have any confidence that he can turn that around?
I'm in the camp that a small market team like the Pels need to take risks to get to the next level, but this one is wayyyyyy too risky, especially when we can wait til the trade deadline/next offseason/next year's deadline to try and acquire a good player.
And again, every move we make needs to be viewed through the prism of how that player fits with Zion, and Simmons is arguably the worst possible fit.
re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by Townedrunkard on 9/16/21 at 7:44 pm to shel311
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I'm pretty sure Simmons scored in single digits in something like 4 of his final 5 playoff games this season, and he was a complete nonfactor in the 4th quarter of games. Does anyone really have any confidence that he can turn that around?
So all of you basing his career outlook off a small stretch of playoff games? Yea that worked great for us before. Solomon Hill ring a bell?
He definitely needs to get out of Philly. I think most of his issues are mental. But he has quite a few elite skills with probably being the best wing defender in the league one of them. There’s a lot to work with. It would take certain pieces to fit around him and Zion. But like I said, he’s by far the best player in the package presented and I’d pull the trigger on that. Not if Ingram is included, but what was laid out.
I also think there’s about a zero percent chance that would interest Morey so it’s a moot point.
This post was edited on 9/16 at 7:46 pm
re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by shel311 on 9/16/21 at 10:12 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:The year before he had a 4 game stretch where he scored a total of 33 points in 4 games in the playoffs.
So all of you basing his career outlook off a small stretch of playoff games?
Last season wasn't an anomaly or something new. He pretty clearly shrinks away from moments in the playoffs, especially in 4th quarters. Obviously 2 extremely different players, but it's similar to James Harden.
re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by Mulkey Man on 9/16/21 at 10:22 pm to whatiknowsofar
Philly is not taking that deal
re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by Townedrunkard on 9/16/21 at 11:45 pm to shel311
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Last season wasn't an anomaly or something new. He pretty clearly shrinks away from moments in the playoffs, especially in 4th quarters
With Zion and BI he would be the 3rd option, or possibly even the 4th on our team. Don’t think he’d have quite the same pressure to step up like he has to do in Philly.
Even with both of these horrid stretches you mentioned, want to know his career playoff averages? In 34 games, he’s averaged 13.9 pts, 8 rebs, 7.5 assists.
Want to guess what his career averages are?
15.9 pts, 8 rebs and 7.7 assists. So about a bucket less. That’s including last years bad stretch. His reg season averages are pretty much in line with what he averaged in the playoffs.
This post was edited on 9/16 at 11:49 pm
re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by brmark70816 on 9/17/21 at 7:17 am to Townedrunkard
This is a weird thread.
I don't want Simmons. He is overpaid. A faux celebrity with horrible management. I don't think he would want to be here and would be looking to get away immediately.
But the package in the OP is straight up poo. If Philly would take that, you kind of have to do it. Just from a value stand point. If he has a semi resurgence, we are in the playoffs. We can flip him next summer for much more. It's a gamble, but one heavily in our favor.
There is just no chance Philly goes for that.
I don't want Simmons. He is overpaid. A faux celebrity with horrible management. I don't think he would want to be here and would be looking to get away immediately.
But the package in the OP is straight up poo. If Philly would take that, you kind of have to do it. Just from a value stand point. If he has a semi resurgence, we are in the playoffs. We can flip him next summer for much more. It's a gamble, but one heavily in our favor.
There is just no chance Philly goes for that.
re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by Milesahead on 9/17/21 at 7:32 am to Townedrunkard
So you wanna pay him a bazillion to put up 13 pts in three qtrs of playoff games, so he can be a good defender for us? While also likely making the rest of our offensive players less efficient by killing our spacing...
Meanwhile, our highest paid player will need to sit the 4th qtr of close games because he is mentally softer than charmin. At least he is considered to be a hard worker with a good attitude, right?
Terrible fit on offense and in the locker room. I don't care if he is DPOY the next 25 yrs straight, this "trade" makes us worse
Meanwhile, our highest paid player will need to sit the 4th qtr of close games because he is mentally softer than charmin. At least he is considered to be a hard worker with a good attitude, right?
Terrible fit on offense and in the locker room. I don't care if he is DPOY the next 25 yrs straight, this "trade" makes us worse
re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by TeddyPadillac on 9/17/21 at 8:19 am to shel311
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Can you please go ahead and make argument, and when you do keep in mind that Simmons' trade demand list of teams was LA, LA, and Golden St. I have no clue how you're going to make the argument that Simmons, for one second, would want to go to New Orleans.
It's really easy.
If he was smart, or had smart people in his ear, he'd want to get away from the big market right now and go to a place like NO and focus on getting better as a basketball player without as much pressure on him.
If he's an idiot and doesn't want to work on his weaknesses as a basketball player and is more interested in off the court shite and wants to be in a big market, then he's an idiot and i want nothing to do with him.
I have no idea what's his mindset, but obviously we would try to understand it before even thinking about getting involved in trade talks. Everything i've said about bringing him in assumes he isn't an idiot as described above, which may be a bad assumption by me, and if so, then i want nothing to do with him.
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re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by Galactic Inquisitor on 9/17/21 at 10:04 am to TeddyPadillac
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If he was smart, or had smart people in his ear, he'd want to get away from the big market right now and go to a place like NO and focus on getting better as a basketball player without as much pressure on him.
If he's an idiot and doesn't want to work on his weaknesses as a basketball player and is more interested in off the court shite and wants to be in a big market, then he's an idiot and i want nothing to do with him.
All signs point to the latter, Teddy. Seriously.
re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by Fun Bunch on 9/17/21 at 10:07 am to TeddyPadillac
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If he was smart, or had smart people in his ear,
Well he isn't and doesn't.
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he'd want to get away from the big market right now and go to a place like NO
He doesn't want that.
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which may be a bad assumption by me
It is
re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by ShamelessPel on 9/17/21 at 11:58 am to TeddyPadillac
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Simmons can literally guard any position on the court. That solves so many issues defensively for us.
If that were the package, i'd try my best to keep NAW and send Kira out instead with another pick.
and i doubt they'd want that package, rather package some of that for another player they actually want, like maybe CJ McCollum.
I just have this suspicion that whoever lands Simmons will get a much improved version of him than we've seen offensively. Dude is in his head too much and needs a change of scenery.
re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by ghost2most on 9/17/21 at 12:18 pm to ShamelessPel
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I just have this suspicion that whoever lands Simmons will get a much improved version of him than we've seen offensively. Dude is in his head too much and needs a change of scenery.
I think the opposite. He's broken and will never make All NBA again.
re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by Camp Randall on 9/21/21 at 1:05 pm to ghost2most
Kluuuutch
re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by dj30 on 9/21/21 at 1:31 pm to ghost2most
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He's broken and will never make All NBA again.
He was just dominating at the end of the Wizards series.
re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by England_Pelican on 9/21/21 at 2:00 pm to Camp Randall
What a complete fricking diva he is being…
I wouldn’t mind Simmons here. Being the small market and apparently undesirable, I’m in the camp that wouldn’t hate him here…he is established all star talent and that’s hard for us to pick up.
However, holy shite…if there’s one thing I hate in sports it’s shite like Simmons today. frick him.
I wouldn’t mind Simmons here. Being the small market and apparently undesirable, I’m in the camp that wouldn’t hate him here…he is established all star talent and that’s hard for us to pick up.
However, holy shite…if there’s one thing I hate in sports it’s shite like Simmons today. frick him.
This post was edited on 9/21 at 2:13 pm
re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by brmark70816 on 9/21/21 at 2:30 pm to England_Pelican
I do not understand this repeated narrative. The Sixers do not want him. They want to trade him. They have been trying to trade him for over a year. How can he be demanding something that they are already trying to do?
re: Pels rumored to be interested in SimmonsPosted by Macintosh504 on 9/21/21 at 2:40 pm to England_Pelican
Simmons isn’t coming here either way
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