re: Pels/Cavs discuss Collin Sexton trade

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Sexton also sucks from midrange

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Well BI doesn't. and why is that some knock on him when he's great from 3 and great at getting to the FT line?
He's not going to be Kevin Durant and be great from everywhere.

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well if you’re about to invest near max money on him. You’d hope he’s more good at things than mediocre to bad. Either way he shouldn’t cost a lot to get.

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i 100% agree, but that's simply not how the NBA works.

He shoots decent from everywhere but the dumb zone

3: 37.5%
10-16: 48.3%
3-10: 45.5%
0-3: 61%
FT: 81.5%

I would expect most if not all of those numbers to go up if he were playing with Zion and Ingram. With the extra space those 2 would get him I could see him jumping into the conversation of elite scorers. Maybe not for total points, but for his efficiency and ability to score from all over the floor.

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Big question for me is, is he a terrible defender because he's terrible or because he doesn't give a shite on a horrible team?

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I haven’t watch him play very often, but I’ve read he’s pretty locked in when he’s guarding his man and gives pretty good effort. Think his overall team defense needs work though, but that usually comes with experience. I could be wrong though

His defense has improved a lot each of the last two seasons. There's reason to hope that he still has room to get better.

Thanks for posting these. That’s part of what caught my eye when I started studying Sexton’s potential fit with the Pels. Yeah, he’s not great at the 16-22 ft shot, but he’s pretty damn good at everything else. Those 3-10ft and 10-16 ft percentages are borderline elite and those are the exact areas where Kira, Zo, seem to struggle. Kira was at 32% 3-10 ft and 20% 10-16ft. Zo was at 30% 3-10ft and 38% 10-16 ft. Naw was at 52% 3-10 and 40% 10-16, which is decent, but a terrible 48% inside of 3ft.

Another stat I like is that 32% of Sexton’s threes are unassisted. That’s not an insane Trae, Luka, Harden, Shai, CP3 like number but it’s better than what we currently have. It also lends credence that maybe Sexton isn’t as much of a gunner or ballhog than people say he is.

By comparison 21% of Ingram’s 3’s are unassisted. 16% of Lonzo’s 3’s are unassisted. 20% of Kira’s threes are unassisted (super low sample size), and 8% of NAW’s 3’s are unassisted.

Just the move of Sexton replacing Ball as our lead guard would improve this team so much.

They call Collin "Young Bull" for a reason. He brings that intensity, fire, passion, resilience-- the exact things the Pels have lacked over the past 2 seasons (and beyond). He can be the engine that keeps the team going at high intensity when there's lulls in the team's energy/focus level. He is the ignition starter, Zion and BI are the main scoring engines.

And as others have pointed out, he's got the skillset the team needs. Quickness, driving, finishing, draw FT's, initiator, improving 3pt shooter, especially off the dribble.

Regardless, the team should move on from Ball in the best way possible for both sides. Just more a distraction that doesn't maximize our 2 best players.

Adams / Hayes
Zion /
Ingram/
NAW /
Sexton/ Kira

Add in lots of shooting and defense from the remaining spots. Championship core...

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I hope the Pels can pull this one off. Would solve a lot of problems and raise our ceiling significantly. Sexton is a hell of a player and he’s only 22. Kira might have a 2% chance of ever having a season as good as Sexton just had at age 22.

Core of Sexton, NAW, Ingram, Zion, Hayes would be nasty and unguardable. Mix in some role players that defend and hit spot up 3’s and that’s a potential championship team.

Kevin Love fricking sucks. Who cares what he thinks of the guy? Also, do your homework, I know the play you are thinking of. He was pissed at the 80 year old college coach calling a set play instead of letting Love attack the mismatch against a guard in the post.

I’m convinced half our fanbase just wants us to suck forever.

Kira, 10, 2 future firsts for Sexton and Prince or Nance

Still leaves us with 8 firsts over the next 6 years and we would have the best young big 3 in the entire league.

Do whatever it takes Griff. Please don’t get hung up over an extra first in a deal like this for a player of this caliber.

You have to overpay for elite talent in this league. Yall seem to want to offer some bullshite trade package for Sexton, but if you do that, technically even a team like the Lakers could match it. Kira and 1 first ain’t getting this done.

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Yikes is an understatement on this entire post.

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The other thing about a Sexton is if there’s even a 20% chance he can be one of the top 3 pieces, you have to take it if the cost is low. If he works out you get to use the war chest on rounding out the roster and keeping things moving.

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I’m onboard if it doesn’t cost us much. I just hope Griff learned his lesson with Adams and doesn’t extend Sexton until we see how he fits first. Adams would be lucky to get half what Griff just gave him if he hit the market this year.

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I’ll prefer high iq players

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Oh the irony…

Also, if this was actually true you’d be pulling for Cp3 and Monty over Jrue and Bud lol.

The problem with discussing players and all of that with you is you usually just simply come in with an emotional take. There doesn’t seem to be much high level thought behind it. It’s just your emotional gut opinion and you can’t ever see where anyone else is coming from even if they have a reasonable argument or position that they can support with stats, tape, other winning formulas in the nba, etc.

We’ve mostly had a hell of a thread here where people are posting potential trade packages, posting advanced stats and how they can relate to potential fit on our team, others offering reasonable discourse about why maybe he isn’t a fit, cost vs risk/reward of making this move, opportunity cost of not making this move, etc.

Comp that with you contributing that Kevin Love can’t stand him, which isn’t even true. Or simply saying you disagree with someone’s stance without elaborating or supporting why. Or saying you prefer high IQ players, indicating that you think Sexton is not high IQ because of some random gossip that no one has been able to source or corroborate.

It’s just not very productive boss. No one is ultimately right or wrong here. The issue is, you think you are always right no matter what the topic is and you have the inability to see things from any other standpoint other than your own initial narrow standpoint. People’s opinions and standpoints have mostly evolved from page 1 of this thread. It’s alright to have an open mind. It’s alright to sometimes deviate from your initial line in the sand. It’s also okay to double down, but do it in a bit more of a productive manner. Offer an alternative and/or a real, tangible reason why pursuing Sexton would be bad for our franchise.