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re: Pels/Cavs discuss Collin Sexton trade
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:32 am to shel311
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:32 am to shel311
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Not sure it's ever a good idea to put all your trust in the Cavs organization's assessment of a player.
As opposed to Griffin’s?
At the end of the day “small market teams” like Cleveland need to have homegrown stars.
Collin Sexton, with his abysmal usage percentage/assist percentage ratio, puts up very good numbers on a bad team, but a franchise who’s been fortunate enough to go to four finals in the last 10 years has seen enough of him that they are hesitant.
Why don’t the Cavs want him? Why are they more in on Garland than him?
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Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:35 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Why don’t the Cavs want him?
I hear what you are saying, but one flaw in this thought process:
Do you think the Cavs are amazing decision makers and team builders?
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:38 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Why don’t the Cavs want him?
I think it's because they like Garland more and know you can't build around 2 small guards.
Also, a lot of the problems you're pointing out are because Sexton is the #1 option in Cleveland. He'd be the #2 or #3 option here. Remember how we thought Gordon would have been good as 6th man and then he was when he accepted that role with the Rockets? He'd have never accepted that role with the Pels. I'd imagine future reduced role acceptance is part of the problem Cleveland has with Sexton too.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:39 am to purplepylon
Per Shams, the Knicks have been the most aggressive trade suitor for Sexton
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:41 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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but a franchise who’s been fortunate enough to go to four finals in the last 10 years has seen enough of him that they are hesitant.
Pretty clear they're dogshit if Lebron isn't around so I don't think you can any attribute any Finals pedigree to what's going on there now.
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Why are they more in on Garland than him?
Because Sexland together isn't going to make any headway for them and Garland's further from an extension decision.
This post was edited on 7/13/21 at 9:44 am
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:42 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Why don’t the Cavs want him?
Garland's major improvement this year
they can't keep both
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
They are also going to take either Suggs or Green. Both are better fits next to Garland, than Sexton.
The Cavs should have a great nucleus of Garland, Green/Suggs, Allen and Okoro. Plus whoever they get in shedding Love, Nance and Sexton. They have a ton of cap space building up over the next few seasons too. It's an interesting rebuild..
The Cavs should have a great nucleus of Garland, Green/Suggs, Allen and Okoro. Plus whoever they get in shedding Love, Nance and Sexton. They have a ton of cap space building up over the next few seasons too. It's an interesting rebuild..
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:59 am to WB504
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Per Shams, the Knicks have been the most aggressive trade suitor for Sexton
We can offer a MUCH better pick this year than the Knicks, but the Knicks can take him without sending back bad salary and can offer multiple picks, which we likely wouldn't.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 10:31 am to Fun Bunch
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Do you think the Cavs are amazing decision makers and team builders?
I think the Cavs have seen a few all time great as young players and then one return as a champion, and what they see in Sexton is a red flag.
I’m risk adverse.
I’m not sure NAW won’t be a better player (as in contributes to winning) in two years.
I’m a believer in Lonzo Ball.
The devil you know is better than the one you don’t.
I’d rather give up 3 firsts to bring back Christian Wood than to acquire Sexton.
I don’t believe this team needs another ball handler especially one who doesn’t pass the ball.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 10:32 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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I’m a believer in Lonzo Ball.
Well then we are just at an impasse.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 10:35 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:That's not relevant to my comment
As opposed to Griffin’s?
Posted on 7/13/21 at 10:37 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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I’m a believer in Lonzo Ball.
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I don’t believe this team needs another ball handler especially one who doesn’t pass the ball.
sounds like you believe in taking joy in watching the Pelicans win 35 games every year.
Your take here couldn't be more against what pretty much everyone else thinks here, but i respect the fact that you are free to voice your opinions here. Maybe you're right, i highly doubt it, but maybe.
This post was edited on 7/13/21 at 10:39 am
Posted on 7/13/21 at 10:39 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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I’m a believer in Lonzo Ball.
quote:Ball and Sexton both averaged the same amount of potential assists per game last season
I don’t believe this team needs another ball handler especially one who doesn’t pass the ball.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 10:41 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
I'm a believer in spending money on guys who has already proved their worth vs a player you hope will reach their worth.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 10:41 am to shel311
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Ball and Sexton both averaged the same amount of potential assists per game last season
Yeah I saw that stat yesterday, which is pretty interesting.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 10:42 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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I’d rather give up 3 firsts to bring back Christian Wood than to acquire Sexton.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 10:43 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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I’d rather give up 3 firsts to bring back Christian Wood than to acquire Sexton.
Oh my
Posted on 7/13/21 at 10:44 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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I’m a believer in Lonzo Ball...I don’t believe this team needs another ball handler especially one who doesn’t pass the ball.
Doesn't pass you say? He averages the same amount of potential assists per game as Lonzo.
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Shamit Dua @FearTheBrown Jul 11
Here are the closest players to Sexton in potential assists. There's a very interesting one tied with him lol
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I’d rather give up 3 firsts to bring back Christian Wood than to acquire Sexton.
This is so over the top it's almost like you're trying to reverse psychology us into wanting Sexton.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 10:52 am to TeddyPadillac
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sounds like you believe in taking joy in watching the Pelicans win 35 games every year.
I wouldn’t say that at all.
This team with the right coaching, despite its roster flaws, probably lost 10-12 games they should’ve won last year.
I’m believer in our player development as well. I don’t think we are far, with the right coach from a 47-50 win team.
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Your take here couldn't be more against what pretty much everyone else thinks here, but i respect the fact that you are free to voice your opinions here. Maybe you're right, i highly doubt it, but maybe.
I’ve never been too worried about what others think. The only thing I know is how much nba product I’ve consumed in my life. I’ve got a separate chat that some TD posters are on and I’m sure they’d speak to it(save the one Cavs fan in there that is ridiculous).
I’d rather Lonzo Ball, NAW & Lewisin complimentary roles to Zion and BI over Colin Sexton.
We shall see what the market says about these two. If Sexton and Ball are both on their way out of their respective teams it will be an interesting follow to see who is more coveted.
And if I’m wrong about Sexton, oh well. Players, coaches, GMs, etc can grow. I don’t think the Pels are a good fit for another young player who’s used to being number 1 option to slide down to possibly a 4th option. Seen it happen a lot.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 11:05 am to WB504
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quote: A package that would include Obi Toppin, Kevin Knox, and one of New York’s 2021 first rounders appears to be an option for Collin Sexton after reaching out to a source.
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