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re: Official Free Agency and Trade Thread: Latest Pels sign Charles Cooke to 2 way
Posted on 7/5/17 at 3:36 pm to GynoSandberg
Posted on 7/5/17 at 3:36 pm to GynoSandberg
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bunchy where do you get this stuff from?
Hey many, I am just repeating what pretty much everyone is saying, that that team will have to rely on defense.
None of those percentages are particularly great, and from what I've read, they are pretty misleading as to how good of shooters those guys actually are.
They are decent scorers but not shooters.
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 3:37 pm to TigerinATL
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Yeah, if they sign Teodosic I'm not sure what to make of them. They'll be worse defensively but may not lose much on offense.
exactly
Teodosic adds a ready made NBA guy. They are meeting with Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin and Galo can facilitate offense, too. You can't write them off at all
Posted on 7/5/17 at 3:43 pm to NOFOX
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The most logical thing to do was probably draft Fultz and move on from IT.
not if you had any interest in signing Hayward. or in being a 50 win team any time soon.
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One of Smart/Bradley are necessary to cover up for IT on defense
Hayward can defend. Brown can defend. Crowder can defend. add Horford and you have a team that can switch everything fairly well 2-5. its a (very) poor man's version of what the Warriors can do defensively with the death lineups.
plus, there's only so much you can do to hide Thomas. i'd rather go with the size/length of those guys over smaller, shorter players in Smart/Bradley- all respect to their considerable defensive prowess.
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if they hope to develop Brown and Tatum while playing Hayward, they will need minutes at some point.
this gets to my actual point- why does it have to be one or the other?
you seem to think these guys only play the 3. the positions dont matter with them- they can be considered a 2-4 and Hayward can be a facilitator. they could run a Hayward/Brown/Tatum/Crowder/Horford lineup if they wanted. i hope they do
Brown played 17mpg on a 53 win team and is developing nicely. they move Smart or Bradley (who are 2s), that opens up 30 minutes on the wing. they can up Brown's mpg and find 15-20mpg for Tatum- which is all he should probably get anyway. again, they are trying to win games and contend for a conference title. giving lots of minutes to rookies is a bad idea if that is the goal
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may trade him would be that he made some noise when the whole courting Hayward stuff started
now that may be a reason to move him. and that makes sense if it is indeed a problem. dropping Jae Crowder (to the Pelicans) for an imaginary minutes crunch doesnt
Posted on 7/5/17 at 3:55 pm to GynoSandberg
Its the same argument as Cunningham: 39.2% (2.7 attempts)
Like Cunningham, Teague and Wiggins aren't threatening 3pt shooters. Teams dare them to shoot those shots rather than giving up an easy lane to the basket.
Butler and Towns defenses actually contested
Like Cunningham, Teague and Wiggins aren't threatening 3pt shooters. Teams dare them to shoot those shots rather than giving up an easy lane to the basket.
Butler and Towns defenses actually contested
Posted on 7/5/17 at 3:57 pm to Not Cooper
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They aren't gonna be great but they've got at least as many shooters as we do, and better perimeter defense.
I think people are overrating what their defense is goign to be. Butler halps a lot as will maturation of Towns/Wiggins and no longer playing Lavine, but Rubio was a big part of their perimeter defense and they were ranked 27th last year. Does Taj Gibson and Butler make that much of a difference on their defense? I also think that offensively you cannot just assume that Butler and Wiggins are going to gel right away.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:06 pm to NOFOX
Pacers waived Monta Ellis...don't do it Dell
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:09 pm to NOFOX
Sure they lost Rubio who was good defensively, but they add Teague who's also a pretty good defender, then they add butler who's all NBA defensively. They've now got two guys who can guard anyone on the perimeter along with two good defensive players down low. Plus an excellent defensive coach. Their defense is not overstated at all.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:22 pm to Not Cooper
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David Pick? @IAmDPick 3 minutes ago
Source: New Orleans 2012 draft pick Darius Miller, a Euroleague star for Bamberg, agreed on NBA comeback deal with the Pelicans.
Well that ought to shut some people up
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:22 pm to TeddyPadillac
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David Pick? @IAmDPick
Source: New Orleans 2012 draft pick Darius Miller, a Euroleague star for Bamberg, agreed on NBA comeback deal with the Pelicans.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:23 pm to corndeaux
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not if you had any interest in signing Hayward. or in being a 50 win team any time soon.
Why would drafting Fultz instead of trading down for Tatum prevent them from signing Hayward or getting 50 wins? Do you think Tatum is contributing that much?
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Hayward can defend. Brown can defend. Crowder can defend. add Horford and you have a team that can switch everything fairly well 2-5. its a (very) poor man's version of what the Warriors can do defensively with the death lineups.
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you seem to think these guys only play the 3. the positions dont matter with them- they can be considered a 2-4 and Hayward can be a facilitator. they could run a Hayward/Brown/Tatum/Crowder/Horford lineup if they wanted. i hope they do
If their team is still going to revolve around Isiah, they need someone who can consistently guard 1's. Smart and Bradley can do so and also defend multiple positions. I do not know how effective Hayward, Crowder, Tatum, or Brown would be matched up against someone like Kyrie. Jae's contract is the sticking point. If Jae was on the last year of his deal, he would be gone. However, because of the contract I think they keep him for at least this year and move Smart.
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:24 pm to TigerinATL
No idea who David Pick is, but sure, why not?
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:24 pm to TigerinATL
From what I remember Miller was actually really good at moving the ball on offense, but we were playing Montyball back then. He might fit Gentry ball better if he's improved his shooting and other skills.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:24 pm to htran90
Cunningham isnt threatening bc he is strictly a corner 3 guy, where literally every one of his 3PM were assisted last season. He has no threat of an offensive game outside of that.
Teague or Wiggins best trait isnt 3P shooting but it is part of their all around offensive game. No one is leaving them open to shoot like you are alluding to.
Teague or Wiggins best trait isnt 3P shooting but it is part of their all around offensive game. No one is leaving them open to shoot like you are alluding to.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:27 pm to rt3
40%+ from 3pt two years in a row.. didnt' expect to see that
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:29 pm to Cap Crunch
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No idea who David Pick is, but sure, why not?
looks to be a guy who reports specifically on the international basketball scene
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:30 pm to rt3
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Adrian Wojnarowski? @wojespn
Free agent guard Dion Waiters is finalizing a deal with the Miami Heat, league sources tell ESPN.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:30 pm to Not Cooper
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Sure they lost Rubio who was good defensively, but they add Teague who's also a pretty good defender, then they add butler who's all NBA defensively. They've now got two guys who can guard anyone on the perimeter
Teague cannot guard anyone on the perimeter. And Wiggins is not a good defender.
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along with two good defensive players down low.
KAT was terrible on defense last year.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:31 pm to TigerinATL
Probably brought in to fight for the 15th spot, pretty sure he played with both AD and D.C. at UK, so there's that.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:33 pm to Not Cooper
quote:AD's buddy.
Probably brought in to fight for the 15th spot, pretty sure he played with both AD and D.C. at UK, so there's that.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:36 pm to PrimeTime Money
I don't think the Clippers win 50 plus games, but I'm not sure if we end up with a better record than them either. The Grizz, Jazz and Kings just seem like wild cards at this point.
I'm just frustrated as a fan because nothing is happening even though I know that a trade is the only way we are going to get any upgrades at the moment.
I'm just frustrated as a fan because nothing is happening even though I know that a trade is the only way we are going to get any upgrades at the moment.
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