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re: Official Free Agency and Trade Thread: Latest Pels sign Charles Cooke to 2 way

Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:53 pm to
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:53 pm to
CJ Miles played pretty damn well when PG was hurt. It would be a good pickup IMO.
Posted by MrPel
Member since Dec 2014
2342 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:57 pm to
Oh for sure I'm down for Miles as well but somebody like that will require MLE type money which is all we have; so after that this offseason is a wrap minus a BAE signing and a few more roster fillers.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
32311 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:57 pm to
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How many teams are loaded with great 3P shooters outside of GS? Those are average to above league average numbers



A lot of playoff teams actually.

Here are the WC playoff teams last year:

San Antonio's best 4:
Kawhi 5.2 (38.0%)
Green 4.9 (37.9%)
Mills 4.4 (41.4%)
Ginobili 3.3 (39.2%)

Houston's best 4:
Harden 9.3 (34.7%)
Gordon 8.8 (37.2%)
Anderson 7.0 (40.8%)
Ariza 6.9 (34.4%)
Not including:
Williams 5.6 (31.8%)
Bev 4.3 (38.2%)

LA Clippers's best 4:
Reddick 6.0 (42.9%)
Paul 5.0 (41.1%)
Rivers 4.0 (37.1%)
Crawford 3.9 (36.0%)
Not including:
Mo Speights 3.4 (37.2%)

Utah's best 4:
Hood 5.2 (37.1%)
Hayward 5.1 (39.8%)
Hill 4.8 (40.3%)
Ingles 3.4 (44.1%)
Not including:
Joe Johnson 3.3 (41.1%)

OKC's best 4:
Westbrook 7.2 (34.3%)
Oladipo 5.3 (36.1%)
Abrines 3.6 (38.1%)
Morrow 3.0 (29.4%)

Memphis' best 4:
Conley 6.1 (40.7%)
Daniels 5.3 (38.9%)
Carter 4.1 (37.8%)
Gasol 3.6 (38.8%)

Portland's best 4:
Lillard 7.7 (37.0%)
McCollum 5.5 (42.1%)
Crabbe 3.8 (44.4%)
AFA 3.5 (32.9%)

and here are the top 4 of Minnesota's:
Teague: 3.1 (35.7%)
KAT 3.4 (36.7%)
Butler 3.3 (36.7%)
Wiggins 3.5 (35.6%)

Not a single one of them break 37% and the highest attempts a game is wiggins @ 3.5.

Of the playoff teams, Wiggins has more or equal to another playoff team's 4th highest volume.
SA: Ginobili @ 3.3
Utah: Ingles @ 3.4
OKC: Morrow @ 3.0
Portland: AFA @ 3.5

While the remaining top 3 combine for:
SA: 14.5
Houston: 25.1
LAC: 15.0
Utah: 15.1
OKC: 16.1
Memphis: 15.5
Portland: 17.0

Those teams top 3 shot MORE attempts and had better or comparable %s than Minnesota's current 4 COMBINED (13.3).

Posted by htran90
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Member since Dec 2012
32311 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:58 pm to
What concerns me is Quin made that team into a slow-pace efficient team. They might be able to purely grind it out better than most teams and win games.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
108847 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:59 pm to
Wow. Remember when 33% was considered to be good?
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37089 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:03 pm to
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no future picks

Da fuq?

Why would you trade Asik with a 1st when that doesn't really net you any cap space, nor are there any free agents worth as much as those that can be obtained through trade? If you're trading the 1st, it needs to net an asset. Using the first to dump Asik would be stupid.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
32311 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:05 pm to
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Wow. Remember when 33% was considered to be good?



its a lot of words and numbers, but as a team they just don't shoot many 3's.

Last year they were dead last @ 21.0 while being 20th in percentage.

But the thing is, they were still efficient when taking shots. They T-11th in points per shot. The thing is, they will still run into that issue this year.

LaVine was by far away their best shooter 6.6 attempts, 38.7% and Rubio was arguably their worst 2.6 attempts, 30.6%, yet they still combined for 9.2 attempts and shot 37.0%

Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
108847 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:18 pm to
I was saying that just 20 years ago, any player shooting 33% from 3 was considered a good shooter. Hell, Reggie Miller was 40% and he was one of the best of all time and considered elite while he was playing.
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 9:28 pm
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
8120 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:31 pm to
Meh. The guys that everyone was after just went elsewhere - doesn't mean we didn't try. New Orleans will never be a prime free agent destination over a powerhouse like Golden State, historically great teams like the Lakers and Celtics, prime baller spots like Miami, etc. And even those teams didn't get everyone they wanted. Swaggy P would have filled a need at a price we could afford - he just chose a ring over us. Can't blame that on Dell. I don't ever expect to win a championship because this is the NBA and we are the New Orleans Pelicans. I do expect a viable team that's fun to watch who can have a shot at winning a round or two in the playoffs. And with AD, Boogie, and Jrue here, that's a pretty solid base that plenty teams would love to have. All we need is a few role players, and I'm sure we'll fill those spots once the smoke clears.
The main reason we don't have any of the necessary pieces to make a huge move is because we made that HUGE move last season. And by we, I mean Dell.

ETA: I've let huge expectations ruin LSU football for me. The first game we lose, I'm like, "Frick, no natinal championship, the season's over." I'm not going to let that mentality ruin the Pels for me. I'm staying realistic.
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 10:16 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:09 pm to
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Jay King? @ByJayKing 29 minutes ago

One rival league source plenty skeptical about Crowder sign and trade to Jazz potential: "That's not gonna actually happen. Stay woke."

Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4423 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:45 pm to
ISO Joe is ready to go.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74445 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 11:53 pm to
Holy shite dude it ain't that serious

All that work and your making up arbitrary benchmarks of what I said
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
32311 posts
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:37 am to
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Holy shite dude it ain't that serious

All that work and your making up arbitrary benchmarks of what I said




the numbers were already typed up on another site, i just c+p'd it
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:05 am to
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Pelicans Podcaster? @SilverAndMac 12 minutes ago

If I were a betting man, I'd bet on Pels making a move to add a guy who will be somewhere between 4 and 7 in the rotation in the next 48 hrs



MM thinks Bledsoe > Jrue, so I'd say that means Phoenix wasn't interested.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30367 posts
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:12 am to
So we are going to sign someone better than instant grits and solo. Sounds difficult.
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
6156 posts
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:18 am to
The only people I could think of would be maybe Lin, Smart...maybe Hardaway if Hawks aren't interested in keeping him or Bogdanovic (doubtful)? Miles?

Maybe I'm aiming too high here?
Posted by Jon1798
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
730 posts
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:28 am to
Marcus Smart. And the signings become official in 48 hours so Boston needs to clear the cap space.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37089 posts
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:31 am to
I feel like pretty much anyone signed with the MLE or acquired by trade will fall into the 4-7 spots on this team.

Davis
Cousins
Holiday

Moore
Hill
Crawford
Diallo
Ajinca
Asik
Qpon

It doesn't take much to be better than Diallo, Ajinca, Asik, and Qpon
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:33 am to
Miles would fit, but based on the way Atlanta has changed directions, I wouldn't rule out Bazemore for Asik. However, Bazemore makes $17 which is an uneven enough trade to make you unable to use the full MLE or bring back Cunningham without getting into the tax.

I know there are some people that really love Hardaway here. Do you love him enough to give up a 1st? Like Asik + 1st for Hardaway + 2nd and then give the 2nd to Indy to take Ajinca and QPon for a CJ Miles S&T.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 8:36 am
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37089 posts
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:33 am to
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And the signings become official in 48 hours so Boston needs to clear the cap space.

Signings can become official today at 11am. That doesn't mean that all of these deals that were agreed to have to become official at that time.
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