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NP- Should NBA make "injury pay" 50% of salary?

Posted on 3/1/23 at 8:54 am
Posted by hassan whiteside
Puerto Rico
Member since Dec 2021
372 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 8:54 am
If a player is missing a bunch of games, do you think it makes sense to pay less than if that player is playing?

It seems like players are milking injuries to sit on the bench and collect big money until the games matter. Would this incentivize players to get healthy quicker and do their job?

If you knew your boss was going to pay you 100% of your paycheck if you showed up one day a week- would you go the other 4 days? I would not.

Pels fricked, League Stacked or something like that
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
6587 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 8:59 am to
This is a topic that's pointless to talk about because it will never happen.

It's like asking: Do you think NBA players should stop being such pussies?

Yes, but it is what it is.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9784 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:02 am to
This just makes too much sense. They will say that the contract is guaranteed. But there should be stipulations for games missed. I doubt any team would have courage to enforce it though, they would waive it except in the case of career ending injury. No team wants to take that PR hit. It would have to be automatically deducted per the CBA..
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61503 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:11 am to
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Should NBA make "injury pay" 50% of salary?


There are some very specific situations where star level players are using physical/mental wellness as leverage. That is the exception, not the rule. So many posters here acting like Zion is faking a hamstring injury is just nuts. I get that his injuries are frustrating and killing this season, but they are real.

Also, for all of the "Zion's sitting on his arse just collecting money" people. Why does that matter?

1) He's actually injured, they have lots of medical imaging to prove it.
2) Taking money from Zion would not give the team any functional cap space to replace him.
3) Taking money from Zion doesn't give that money back to the fans. It just would make more money for Mrs. Benson.
4) Teams insure their biggest contracts so if a player misses enough games with the same injury, insurance pays a big chunk of that missed salary.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110857 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:16 am to
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This is a topic that's pointless to talk about because it will never happen.

This


You can then argue that players shouldn't be paid for games they are out for "REST" but then the teams will just say they have some kind of "soreness" and guys will rest without ever being officially out for rest, so there's an easy way around it.


I like the idea that you have to play a certain amount of games to be eligible for awards, especially in those instances like All NBA where the awards can affect their bottom line.

Don't play in 60 games, you are not eligible for any NBA awards.

Other than that, not sure what else can be done since the players have to agree to it.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110857 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:17 am to
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4) Teams insure their biggest contracts so if a player misses enough games with the same injury, insurance pays a big chunk of that missed salary.

Now it all makes sense as to why we're so conservative!
Posted by studentforlife
Member since Jun 2013
80 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:22 am to
What if the 50% of that game's pay was distributed amongst the teammates that actually played in the missed game? Then it doesn't look like a money grab by the owners. It only provides a financial incentive for players to play.
Posted by WaltWhite504
Member since Sep 2021
1327 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:30 am to
If you got injured at work should you get half pay?

Keep in mind, injured players don't stay home and do what they want - they typically are still required to attend all team meetings, practices, PR events, games, workouts and therapy sessions when possible.

Professional sports (especially the NFL) are lucky players don't sue every time they get injured. Reggie Bush sued after his career ending injury and not only won but he still works as a voice for the NFL.
This post was edited on 3/1/23 at 9:32 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61503 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:34 am to
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What if the 50% of that game's pay was distributed amongst the teammates that actually played in the missed game?


That doesn't have potential to cause friction in the locker room at all. Guys showing up to the locker room with expensive jewelry thanking their teammates for buying it for them with the injury tax money.

Again I ask, why? How many injured players are actually milking things when it's not a star player looking for leverage situation? Every Pels player that has had an upper body injury has come back and played while they are still in pain and it has often showed with poor performance. Every player with a lower body injury has been held out until they were 100% because the risk of reinjury or injuring something else while overcompensating for the not fully healed part are too high.

I'm not saying people should be happy, but you're trying to find answers and fixes where none really exist. It's just a shitty situation that we have to go through.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 10:17 am to
Aside from the Player's Union will never in a million years agree to this for obvious reasons.

I made this point over on the More Sports Board, a lot of what fans attribute to player pussification or whatever Boomer nonsense, it is often as much or more often THE ORGANIZATION making that call.

They want to protect their investments, they do not want their 40 million dollar investment that is the difference between a deep playoff run and the lottery in street clothes when it matters cause they were pushed to play in the 40th game of the regular season with achilles soreness. Which turns into a rupture on a bad landing.

Yes there are the AD's of the world, but more often than not it is player's and organizations looking at the bigger picture.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
70901 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 10:18 am to
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NP- Should NBA make "injury pay" 50% of salary?



Sure, if they want a shite ton of lawsuits on their hands.
Posted by studentforlife
Member since Jun 2013
80 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 10:39 am to
I was thinking more for the "rest" and "load management" games than true injury games. The suggestion was to try to improve regular season shittiness and maybe should have been a spin-off thread?
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61503 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 10:49 am to
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I was thinking more for the "rest" and "load management" games than true injury games.


Those often are directed by the team, not the players. You can't dock players' pay because the boss told you to stay home for your own good.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110857 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 11:17 am to
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Those often are directed by the team, not the players. You can't dock players' pay because the boss told you to stay home for your own good.

Yep, and like I said, that REST will still happen just as often, it'll just be changed to "right ankle soreness" or some shite like that.
Posted by 504Voodoo
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2012
13533 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 11:20 am to
quote:

If you got injured at work should you get half pay?

Keep in mind, injured players don't stay home and do what they want - they typically are still required to attend all team meetings, practices, PR events, games, workouts and therapy sessions when possible.

Professional sports (especially the NFL) are lucky players don't sue every time they get injured. Reggie Bush sued after his career ending injury and not only won but he still works as a voice for the NFL.



Not to mention these injuries are taking place on the jobsite.
Posted by VaeVictus
Member since Feb 2017
1524 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 11:43 am to
Discussions about load mgmt and players missing games will be in the next CBA. Too bad Silver is too much of a weenie to get anything changed. The product will continue to suffer if they don't make some changes.
Posted by Ryan3232
Valet driver for TD staff
Member since Dec 2008
25796 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 11:47 am to
It does make sense in most cases, but the players would never reach an agreement on that.

And then you have guys who dont make very much (in comparison to others in the league) that will try to play through an injury that will cause further injuries. There would be situations of players refusing to sit even though medical staff has not cleared them. Could just cause more issues.
Posted by yaherrdme
The Place to Be
Member since Feb 2004
5444 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:26 pm to
It will never happen, but since we are just throwing stuff out.

What if contracts were per game played, so rather than sign a 5 year contract, you sign a 400 games played contract. There would be an injury clause in there where you could get paid something for games missed while injured, but your contract is not up until you actually play the 400 games.
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
18222 posts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 7:39 pm to
Should be standard worker compensation benefits.
The maximum weekly benefit for workers injured on or after September 1, 2021, is $743.
They can hock one of their Ferraris if they need cash to eat and survive.
Posted by Stamps74
Member since Nov 2017
616 posts
Posted on 3/3/23 at 2:23 am to
How many games are healthy , not old (NBA standards) players really sitting out?

It’s a story on sports shows, I’ve just never seen a #.

I’m guessing it’s not many, but just seems like it when they say player X is resting on a back to back.

Edit:
According to spotrac.com, entering Thursday, 36 players had missed a total of 96 games on account of injury management – that’s 21 more players than all of last season, and four more games already. And last season, 50 players missed a total of 99 games, officially, to “rest.”

??????

So this season averages less than 3 games per player. Last season right under 2 games per player. I’m sure most only care about ‘star’ players, I wonder what those #s are.
This post was edited on 3/3/23 at 8:48 am
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