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re: NBA Offseason officially kicks off, Ingram’s days in NOLA coming to an end per Stein
Posted on 7/28/24 at 11:40 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 7/28/24 at 11:40 am to TeddyPadillac
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Vet minimum? Thought this guy was awesome and MLE worthy?
What poster made about 20 pages about us needing to sign Tyrus for 15 a year lol. And everyone kept telling him he’s not worth close to that.
Talk about embarrassing.
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Posted on 7/28/24 at 2:45 pm to TigerinATL
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Who says no, who needs picks? Pistons: Jordan Hawkins Jazz: Ingram, JRE, Duren, Ivey Pels: Kessler, Collins, Sensabaugh, 2 mid picks from Jazz
Detroit would want 3-4 picks for that
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Also of note, to get this deal to work Duren and Ivey had to go into Jazz trade exceptions.
Utah still has over 25 million in cap space, they could make that deal easily.
Just a straight Kessler and Collins for Ingram and JRE would work for me, and Utah still keeps around 20 million in cap space they can re-do Lauri’s contract with.
Posted on 7/28/24 at 9:10 pm to Soggymoss
Collins + Kessler for Ingram + JRE makes a lot of sense for the Pels. But that would leave Jazz with only Eubanks at Center, with no depth there. What if Ainge insists on keeping Kessler? (Knowing Griffin/Pels have no leverage in the BI situation).
What if the offer is Collins + two 1sts (worst of MIN/CLE/UTA in '25 and '27)? Then that leaves about $10mil. under the tax to include a other player(s) to the Pels from a third team. Is that enough to clear the BI headache, or should they just push it to the trade deadline and hope for more suitors?
What if the offer is Collins + two 1sts (worst of MIN/CLE/UTA in '25 and '27)? Then that leaves about $10mil. under the tax to include a other player(s) to the Pels from a third team. Is that enough to clear the BI headache, or should they just push it to the trade deadline and hope for more suitors?
This post was edited on 7/28/24 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 7/28/24 at 9:19 pm to DLBalla
They drafted Kyle Filipowsk who is a C.
I am sure they could also add some more depth from the FA's that are still available.
They are tanking so thyey wouldn't care.
I am sure they could also add some more depth from the FA's that are still available.
They are tanking so thyey wouldn't care.
Posted on 7/28/24 at 9:39 pm to Aussie_Pelican
If Utah trades for Ingram then tanking isn’t the goal. I’m not saying it has to come from a trade with the Pels, but they need to add another big before the season if they send out Collins and Kessler in a trade for BI.
This post was edited on 7/28/24 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 7/28/24 at 9:53 pm to TigerinATL
Understood, but I don't think not having C depth is something that they would be so concerned about with thye proposed trade.
This season wouldn't be the season that they would set themselves to win the West.
Is it weird that they have signed Kyle Filipowsk yet?
This season wouldn't be the season that they would set themselves to win the West.
Is it weird that they have signed Kyle Filipowsk yet?
Posted on 7/28/24 at 10:45 pm to Aussie_Pelican
Forgot about Filipowki. And yea, that is weird they haven't signed any of their rookies yet. But guess it's to keep maximum flexibility and cap space available for the Lauri renogtiation and extend move, then they take care of the rest after that key move.
Jazz/Aigne trading for Ingram would be a strange move, for sure. Everyone assumes they will tank for a top pick, with or without Lauri. But I guess them getting BI would be Ainge buying low and being able to tell Lauri and fans, "See, we made a big win-now move with getting Ingram! See Lauri/fans, we're serious about winning..." But then not upgrading the rest of their roster, stealth tanking showcasing Ingram in the lead role with shooters-- then when at the deadline they are clearly not good enough-- then shift to sell-mode and offload BI for assets and further tankage.
Jazz/Aigne trading for Ingram would be a strange move, for sure. Everyone assumes they will tank for a top pick, with or without Lauri. But I guess them getting BI would be Ainge buying low and being able to tell Lauri and fans, "See, we made a big win-now move with getting Ingram! See Lauri/fans, we're serious about winning..." But then not upgrading the rest of their roster, stealth tanking showcasing Ingram in the lead role with shooters-- then when at the deadline they are clearly not good enough-- then shift to sell-mode and offload BI for assets and further tankage.
Posted on 7/28/24 at 10:54 pm to Soggymoss
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Just a straight Kessler and Collins for Ingram and JRE would work for me, and Utah still keeps around 20 million in cap space they can re-do Lauri’s contract with.
We went from getting Murray and Capella for Ingram to a player that was benched and Collins. That’s quite a tumble in trade value and you ok with that?
This post was edited on 7/28/24 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 7/29/24 at 7:25 am to Townedrunkard
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We went from getting Murray and Capella for Ingram to a player that was benched and Collins. That’s quite a tumble in trade value and you ok with that?
Kessler is worth at least a 1st and a couple 2nds, Collins could probably fetch Utah a 1st also.
Capella has neutral or negative value currently, and we got Murray for basically the equivalent of the value of Collins and Kessler, so yeah I would be ok with that.
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What if the offer is Collins + two 1sts (worst of MIN/CLE/UTA in '25 and '27)? Then that leaves about $10mil. under the tax to include a other player(s) to the Pels from a third team. Is that enough to clear the BI headache, or should they just push it to the trade deadline and hope for more suitors?
I would be fine with that but I would want two good 1sts. Then flip one of them to Detroit for Duren
This post was edited on 7/29/24 at 7:26 am
Posted on 7/29/24 at 7:38 am to Soggymoss
We won't be a better team if we trade ingram for Kessler and Collins.
Not even close
Not even close
Posted on 7/29/24 at 9:16 am to Soggymoss
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Capella has neutral or negative value currently, and we got Murray for basically the equivalent of the value of Collins and Kessler, so yeah I would be ok with that.
Umm no we didn’t. Neither player is worth am unprotected first, which we gave two up. Along with a former lotto pick.
That’s way less value than what we gave Murray up for.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 10:07 am to whatiknowsofar
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We won't be a better team if we trade ingram for Kessler and Collins.
Not even close
We are already a better team after getting Murray.
Kessler/ Collins does fill our only (2) needs.
Collins is a 16pts/ 8reb guy who shot 37% 3pt last year and >39% (2) other years. This move plus Kessler allows us to balance PG/SG/SF. Trey/ Herb/ Murray/ CJ can play their natural positions and we don't have to rely on Hawk/ Jose as much unless absolutely needed.
We can do wayyy worse than get a Collins/ Kuzma/ Cam Johnson as a "salary filler"
Posted on 7/29/24 at 10:08 am to Soggymoss
quote:What? Unless those 1st are moderately to heavily protected, I disagree.
Kessler is worth at least a 1st and a couple 2nds, Collins could probably fetch Utah a 1st also.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 10:50 am to NOSHAU
Collins and BI made the same amount of 3s last year.
That's wild
That's wild
Posted on 7/29/24 at 10:58 am to Balsamic_duck
SGA only made 9 more 3's than BI, and he played 11 more games than BI.
Wild.
Max contract Franz Wagner also only made 9 more 3's than BI, and he played in 8 more games than BI.
Wild.
Wild.
Max contract Franz Wagner also only made 9 more 3's than BI, and he played in 8 more games than BI.
Wild.
This post was edited on 7/29/24 at 11:00 am
Posted on 7/29/24 at 11:06 am to TeddyPadillac
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SGA only made 9 more 3's than BI, and he played 11 more games than BI.
What's even funnier is they have an efg that's the same. If Ingram got Shais whistle I bet he'd have a similar ts% too.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 11:58 am to whatiknowsofar
With Murray and Zion on the floor, BI is going to get opponents' third-best defender on him, and he's going to blow by those guys for a lot of dunks.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 12:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
He will be blunt blowing
Posted on 7/29/24 at 12:05 pm to whatiknowsofar
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What's even funnier is they have an efg that's the same. If Ingram got Shais whistle I bet he'd have a similar ts% too.
Are we seriously comparing a player who struggles to even make an all NBA team or be an all star to a guy who the past two years has been a MVP candidate? Shai has averaged over 30 points the past 2 seasons. BI struggles to average 25.
Sure, SGA doesn’t shoot a bunch of threes but to even compare him and BI seems a bit ridiculous.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 12:14 pm to Pels_Yaz
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SGA doesn’t shoot a bunch of threes but to even compare him and BI seems a bit ridiculous.
Ingram isn't as much of a foul merchant either.
I was pointing out a statistical comparison. No one said ingram is close to shai. There's just stats that make them comparable.
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