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re: NBA Offseason officially kicks off, Ingram’s days in NOLA coming to an end per Stein
Posted on 7/26/24 at 11:35 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 7/26/24 at 11:35 am to TigerinATL
Agreed, It's why I'm not concerned with a BI trade. Just more so anxious of what team and for what.
What's the worst that can happen?
Ayton + (2-3) 1st?
Even something like that is at worst a lateral move that fills holes and gives us future flexibility.
What's the worst that can happen?
Ayton + (2-3) 1st?
Even something like that is at worst a lateral move that fills holes and gives us future flexibility.
This post was edited on 7/26/24 at 12:01 pm
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 11:55 am to Dantheman504
Probably lotto protected 1sts, maybe a swap, and some delayed picks for 2nds if it's Portland.
Ayton haa 2 years left on that deal, it's not horrible. Can Willie get him to buy in to be the last option on the floor though?
Ayton haa 2 years left on that deal, it's not horrible. Can Willie get him to buy in to be the last option on the floor though?
Posted on 7/26/24 at 11:59 am to TigerinATL
Some fans also have different "value" for players > picks.
Most would choose (1) future 1st > 1 role player
But if that role player fits your chemistry and can be a guaranteed rotational player for 4+ years then the value changes.
(2) future 1st could end up being duds or mediocre players
Kessler may be worth (1) 1st and (2) 2nds but if his contract allows you to keep other meaningful players then his value is beyond (1) 1st. Too many people view trades as a "1 for 1" trade.
Trading an extra 1st for Kessler > Allen for free could have long term value like keeping Trey/ Herb/ etc.
So if 1-2 unknown/ unproven future picks are the difference between long term stability then you have to pull the trigger IMO.
Most would choose (1) future 1st > 1 role player
But if that role player fits your chemistry and can be a guaranteed rotational player for 4+ years then the value changes.
(2) future 1st could end up being duds or mediocre players
Kessler may be worth (1) 1st and (2) 2nds but if his contract allows you to keep other meaningful players then his value is beyond (1) 1st. Too many people view trades as a "1 for 1" trade.
Trading an extra 1st for Kessler > Allen for free could have long term value like keeping Trey/ Herb/ etc.
So if 1-2 unknown/ unproven future picks are the difference between long term stability then you have to pull the trigger IMO.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 12:00 pm to TigerinATL
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I'm sure Kessler, Collins and picks works for most here.
I kind of really like John Collins as our closing 5. He's obviously going to struggle with Jokic or Embiid, but he's a good rebounder and he can defend the perimeter well, and he would definitly help spread the floor offensively.
I really am interested to see how we play defensively with Zion. Are we going to use Zion's big body to handle big centers, or are we going to make someone else suck it up and try to use Zion as a weakside rim protector, similar in how Mobley plays and excels as a rim protector.
If Zion can excel as a weakside protector, then if a guy like Collins can at least hold his ground well enough and guide his man into Zions help, it might work.
I know we all assume the Jazz wont' want to trade picks, but they've got plenty of rather worthless late 1sts, like all the picks from Minny and Cleveland. They have 4 picks in 2027 and 3 in 2029. I'll gladly take one in each year from Minny or Cleveland.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 12:19 pm to htran90
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Can Willie get him to buy in to be the last option on the floor though?
Not happening. This is a guy who was on a #1 seed team and got pissed he was a 3rd or 4th option. Granted, the front office lowballed him based on him playing nice, which probably explains the attitude afterward.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 12:30 pm to Dantheman504
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Ayton + (2-3) 1st?
I'd rather keep BI than get Ayton back.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 1:32 pm to TeddyPadillac
Why do people keep trying to trade Ingram to bad teams that are obviously going to tank this year (since they are rebuilding)? It makes no sense for them to add him.
Honestly the only team that makes sense, mentioned lately, is the Cavs. He could be the 2nd/3rd option to Mitchell (maybe Mobley too)..
Honestly the only team that makes sense, mentioned lately, is the Cavs. He could be the 2nd/3rd option to Mitchell (maybe Mobley too)..
Posted on 7/26/24 at 3:05 pm to brmark70816
I'm of the belief that Ingram helps drive the tank harder. I'm that sour on him.
This post was edited on 7/26/24 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 7/26/24 at 3:56 pm to brmark70816
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Honestly the only team that makes sense, mentioned lately, is the Cavs. He could be the 2nd/3rd option to Mitchell (maybe Mobley too)..
They might be the one team in the league that makes the least sense out of anyone but the Celtics, unless they were trading Garland for BI.
Under no circumstance are the Cavs trading Jarrett Allen and other salary fillers for BI.
The Cleveland fricking Cavaliers cannot afford to pay Garland $40M, Mobley $38M, Mitchell $46M, and then BI let's just assume $45M next year. If they filled the rest of the roster out after those 4 with only minimum contracts, they are still a tax team next year, and would only slightly be under the 1st apron.
Actually no team can afford to do this with the new 2nd apron penalties.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 4:09 pm to TeddyPadillac
It's almost the end of July and Zion still looks to be in decent shape. If he's a top 5-15 player this might work regardless of what happens with everyone else.
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 4:13 pm to TigerinATL
I still say I want to see a Murray/Herb/BI/Trey/Zion lineup, and if that is a lineup that can close games at an elite level, then i want to move forward with it. If they can commit to playing smart team defense and just slow people down enough, they'll kick arse b/c they would destroy teams offensively.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:25 pm to TeddyPadillac
Absolutely. Sub cj in if he's hot. 6 Dawgs to choose from
Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:45 pm to whatiknowsofar
Multiple popular NBA podcasts discussed a link to Ingram and the Jazz today, seemingly out of nowhere. That can't be out of nowhere...
I heard it on Lowe and Windhorst pods, someone else mentioned a 3rd on Twitter.
I heard it on Lowe and Windhorst pods, someone else mentioned a 3rd on Twitter.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 8:18 pm to shel311
Ingram and JRE for Kessler and Collins?
Posted on 7/26/24 at 11:51 pm to teke184
quote:That would make a lot of sense.
Ingram and JRE for Kessler and Collins?
Posted on 7/27/24 at 5:44 am to TeddyPadillac
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they would destroy teams offensively
Idk, i can still see BI take 15 dribbles and a contested midrange. Who is gonna rebound that shite?
Posted on 7/27/24 at 6:20 am to NOSHAU
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That would make a lot of sense
For the Jazz?
I don't think Ingram helps them. They just drafted wings in the lottery the past two years (Hendricks and Williams). I would think they want them to play and develop.
I saw a crazy trade proposal this morning, with us adding both Markkanen and Kessler(.LINK But we would give us a ton (Ingram, Hawkins and 4 1sts). That seems steep, but that puts us into pretty high contention and addresses all needs..
Posted on 7/27/24 at 7:08 am to shel311
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Multiple popular NBA podcasts discussed a link to Ingram and the Jazz today, seemingly out of nowhere. That can't be out of nowhere...
I heard it on Lowe and Windhorst pods, someone else mentioned a 3rd on Twitter.
I think there is real smoke LM doesn't want to move and there is no market due to this. Utah isn't going to be close to tank level and had to spend money.
They apparently offered a ton for Bridges. Lowe implied it was more than New York, IIRC.
So they've probably been stealth buyers the whole time but due to how Ainge works it wasn't out in the open.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 8:08 am to SlowFlowPro
No telling with them.
I went with the idea that they wanted assets for Kessler, who doesn’t fit their lineup, and included Collins for salary purposes.
Kessler is obviously the prize for us but Collins, even on his contract, offers a good amount for us at the 4 / small ball 5 given the lineups we could run.
I went with the idea that they wanted assets for Kessler, who doesn’t fit their lineup, and included Collins for salary purposes.
Kessler is obviously the prize for us but Collins, even on his contract, offers a good amount for us at the 4 / small ball 5 given the lineups we could run.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 8:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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So they've probably been stealth buyers the whole time but due to how Ainge works it wasn't out in the open.
Lauri + BI, not ideal but I can see it. However, if being competitive is the goal it can't be a 2 team deal. We would probably want Kessler/Collins and then the Jazz have no centers.
Who says no, who needs picks?
Pistons: Jordan Hawkins
Jazz: Ingram, JRE, Duren, Ivey
Pels: Kessler, Collins, Sensabaugh, 2 mid picks from Jazz
Pistons get shooting and presumably a Langdon player while moving 2 guys Langdon inherited.
Jazz get an All Star caliber player next to Lauri and unlike the Pels have Sexton and Clarkson to handle the ball when BI can't. They get a buy low prospect in Ivey and switch out Kessler for Duren which seems reasonable given how they seem to have soured some on Kessler.
Pels get their center and a 4/5 that can both be the small ball 5 and take up some of the scoring load if Zion is out. Sensabaugh I don't know much about, but he was needed for salary. Also of note, to get this deal to work Duren and Ivey had to go into Jazz trade exceptions.
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