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re: NBA Offseason officially kicks off, Ingram’s days in NOLA coming to an end per Stein

Posted on 7/11/24 at 4:56 pm to
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 4:56 pm to
Now there's reporting that Jalen Brunson is going to sign a 4/156 extension with the Knicks.

I take back my 4/160 offer for BI.

I'm offering him a 4/100 extension and pointing to Brunson.
Posted by Soggymoss
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 5:00 pm to
Teams would absolutely want BI for the same or less than a rookie max
Posted by lsusa
Doing Missionary work for LSU
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 5:10 pm to
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I posted yesterday, Griff needs to lay down a 4/175 extension on the table for BI, and tell him sign it or you’re playing on an expiring. That would give him 8% per year raises on top of his current contract, and would keep him in the 25% range of the cap, lower as the cap increases hit, which will make him WAY more enticing to teams in a trade.



Just curious - can they make that a base offer and then throw in incentives like all-NBA/advancing to the conference finals/etc (rose lang?) to where he could max out?
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 5:19 pm to
They could, however it would likely count against any hard caps the team has, so it would restrict the team more than anything
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 5:20 pm to
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Teams would absolutely want BI for the same or less than a rookie max


Part of the rookie max is paying for potential.

Ingram is 27 now, he is what he is at this point and teams clearly don't like what he is at this point.




Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 5:35 pm to
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They could, however it would likely count against any hard caps the team has, so it would restrict the team more than anything


This would basically be a poison pill contract of sorts that we'd be giving ourselves. The Apron restrictions include Unlikely Incentives/Bonuses. So even if you say "BI gets $10 million if we win the title", that $10 million counts towards complying with the Apron, which this year means you'd need to be about $3 million below the tax threshold to comply with the Apron rules.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 6:02 pm to
The problem with this whole BI thing is we have to trade him to get the most out of Herb and Trey
Posted by lsusa
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Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 6:20 pm to

quote:

They could, however it would likely count against any hard caps the team has, so it would restrict the team more than anything



quote:

This would basically be a poison pill contract of sorts that we'd be giving ourselves. The Apron restrictions include Unlikely Incentives/Bonuses. So even if you say "BI gets $10 million if we win the title", that $10 million counts towards complying with the Apron, which this year means you'd need to be about $3 million below the tax threshold to comply with the Apron rules.



Thanks to you and TigerinAtL for the a answers and explanations
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 6:27 pm to
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The problem with this whole BI thing is we have to trade him to get the most out of Herb and Trey


Y'all put way too much faith in Trey.
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 6:28 pm to
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Trey needs to pay attention. Robinson is considered a bad contract with 2 years left at $18 because all he brings is 3 point shooting.
Posted by mhasen1
Texas
Member since Feb 2008
1867 posts
Posted on 7/11/24 at 6:29 pm to
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Still far too much. I'd give him 4/160 with a team option on the last year


I wouldn't hate 4/160 if it was similar to the Josh Hart 3 year deal with years 2 and 3 being team options and year 4 being a player option. I doubt Ingram would sign it, but it is definitely the best offer the Pelicans should make.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 7/11/24 at 6:38 pm to
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I wouldn't hate 4/160 if it was similar to the Josh Hart 3 year deal with years 2 and 3 being team options and year 4 being a player option.


If Ingram agrees to less money, I think he would only agree if it were a short deal like a 1 + 1 extension, which I think works for the Pels. They might be able to keep him if it works out and they dump CJ. Or it makes BI more tradeable down the line.
Posted by LilWezyAna
BR
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:45 am to
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Trey needs to pay attention. Robinson is considered a bad contract with 2 years left at $18 because all he brings is 3 point shooting.

Trey Murphy is one of the most vertically athletic people in the NBA. Comparing him to Duncan Robinson is a travesty
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
8545 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:50 am to
Maybe Missi gets like 10 blocks a game in summer league and gives us a nice warm false sense of security
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37426 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:53 am to
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Trey Murphy is one of the most vertically athletic people in the NBA. Comparing him to Duncan Robinson is a travesty

He is very athletic, but he often times doesn't use that athleticism in game.
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 7/12/24 at 7:54 am to
I don’t think Griff has given him permission to dominate yet
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:12 am to
The penalties for going over the apron won’t kick in until the end of the season right? In theory, could we resign BI to say $45M/Year, start the season as is, then flip CJ for a team who thinks all they need is shooting for a playoff push?

Like let’s just say Orlando looks great, Isaac, goga and Wagner are playing well, but they need more shooting help. Would flipping CJ for WCJ get us under the apron with no penalties in the above scenario?
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30650 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:18 am to
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The Miami Heat tried to acquire DeMar DeRozan, but no team wanted Duncan Robinson's contract, per
@BobbyMarks42


Miami also missed out on Tyus Jones.


How did they miss out on a guy that was and still is a free agent?


and i'd take Herro/Duncan/28 swap/29 1st for BI. Send Herro to Pistons for Isaiah Stewart and 4 2nds.

That would leave us with just enough to sign a minimum guy and stay just under the tax.

I know Robinson isn't a good defender at all, but like CJ, he at least gives the effort to try to be. I'm ok with that. They both suck, but they at least give the effort.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30650 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:20 am to
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Like let’s just say Orlando looks great, Isaac, goga and Wagner are playing well, but they need more shooting help. Would flipping CJ for WCJ get us under the apron with no penalties in the above scenario?




someone has to have the cap space, or a $33M trade exception to make that happen.
We can't just send out $33M and only take back $12M without someone being able to absorb salary. The only teams that might have that ability to take back uneven trades would be Utah and Detroit, and that's assuming they don't do that right now.
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
8545 posts
Posted on 7/12/24 at 8:26 am to
Ok, let’s just say we find a 3rd team and figure out a way to make it work to where we’re only taking back enough salary to get under the apron in acquiring WCJ. Does the apron penalty go away? I’m more or less asking “during which portion of the season are the tax and apron penalties finalized”
This post was edited on 7/12/24 at 8:34 am
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