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re: Mirotic or Julius Randle?

Posted on 6/22/19 at 12:13 pm to
Posted by 1ranter1
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 12:13 pm to
37% on 4 attempts a game his last 23 games.

Lopez is at 35% on 5 attempts a game the last three seasons.

Dedmon 38% on 3 attempts a game last year.

Niko 37% on almost 7 attempts a game the last two years
This post was edited on 6/22/19 at 12:15 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115508 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 12:21 pm to
So you’re comparing 23 games to

3 years

1 year

2 years
Posted by Philippines4LSU
Member since May 2018
8789 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 12:31 pm to
The point as I see it is that 34.5% is not nearly as bad a percentage as it is perceived to be on here, especially from a guy who isn’t among your main outside threats.

In terms of points per shot attempt, it’s the equivalent of shooting 51.75% on 2pt attempts. It’s not spectacular but still good enough that teams have to defend it.
Posted by Mad Scientist26
Member since Jul 2018
1942 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 12:34 pm to
I can assure you that the Pels will seriously try to sign Niko. I won’t even address Randle or Niko because Randle makes no sense on this team now with Zion. That’s to redundant to Zion for the price Randle will command. Two Reasons why Pels will go after Niko
1.) Culture veteran that wants to be here. He came off the bench or started without complaining when he was here. Also, he loves New Orleans.
2.) Scheme fit. We need a stretch 4/5 that can shoot for spacing purposes in the starting lineup. You guys forgot he was our starting center when Boogie went out and we had that great run. He would be our starting center. He’s also an underrated defender.

They are basically telling you in the interviews who they are targeting in FA. You guys just need to read into what they are saying and not what you think they should do.
Posted by MoneyShot
Member since Jan 2013
4319 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 12:41 pm to
Go balls out and get Vucevic.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9759 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 12:50 pm to
I'm sorry but nothing you say makes sense and you are being totally close minded. Randle and Mirotic are very similar. Almost exact same numbers, especially with Randle being so much younger and improving.

We have a massive hole for another starting big. Whoever we sign will start next to Zion. Not a 6th man or a rotational player. We have Okafor, Hayes and maybe Wood for that..
Posted by Macintosh504
Leveraging Salaries University
Member since Sep 2011
52559 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 12:52 pm to
Julius will be much more expensive than Niko. He’s not worth paying 17 mil a year for
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61442 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 12:52 pm to
quote:

Randle and Mirotic are very similar.


That's like saying Steph and Westbrook are very similar because they both score a lot. Niko is a spacer, Randle is a bully baller. This team needs one of those types more than the other. And I think Niko will be too expensive to bring back. This is definitely a year to take some shots on your buy low candidates.
This post was edited on 6/22/19 at 12:54 pm
Posted by Dantheman504
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 12:54 pm to
Actually you are the one who is close minded and doesnt make sense. Niko and Randomly are nothing alike. Niko can spaces the floor and shoot 3's as well as play solid defense. Randomly cannot spaces the floor, cannot shoot 3's, and does not play great defense. Niko is a great fit on this team, Randle will not be on this team again.
Posted by Philippines4LSU
Member since May 2018
8789 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 12:57 pm to
Randle is a better 3pt shooter than you think.

LINK

34.4 is not bad at all. It’s average.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9759 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 12:58 pm to
What are you basing this on? None of the numbers, especially current ones support this..
Posted by 1ranter1
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
10393 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 1:02 pm to
Yes. I usually hate unsymmetrical sample sizes that’s not really what I was going for.

Those time frames are when those players started shooting 3s at what I’d think is a realistic rate to expect going forward. Lopez and Dedmon didn’t even hit a 3 until they were 26/27. Niko when into crazy launch 7ish a game mode 2 years ago. So it didn’t really make sense to compare their career #s
Posted by Mad Scientist26
Member since Jul 2018
1942 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 1:03 pm to
Randle doesn’t play defense as well as Mirotic. Also, Randle is no where near the shooter. And there games are different. Randle is a bull in the China shop, bully ball big that plays with the ball in his hand. Mirotic is more of a spot shooter with a little bit of a post game. Also, Niko has pretty quick feet on defense. I think your just basing your argument on the stat lines.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38658 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 1:04 pm to
it’s about usage not shooting %
Niko is overrated as a shooter but compared to Randle a much better fit

I don’t think either are under consideration though
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 1:07 pm to
If he's healthy (and a HUGE if for Love), I don't think it is a negative asset.

For me, it's not about accelerating the "compete" timeline. I look at this type of add as a Holiday style one. A guy who sets the tone and incubates the younger core on and off the court.

You know he won't be a part of the next good Pels team, but you're paying to have him pave the way for that team.

I would argue paying that guy, even a huge sum for 4 years, is valuable and worth it. I would argue it can be more valuable than cycling through older, cheaper options. And they can do it and still have flexibility.

Not saying they should with Love, but I don't think it's such an obvious no
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9759 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 1:07 pm to
No I have watched them and studied them pretty closely. What people can't or won't acknowledge is that Randle is still developing. Mirotic came into the league at 23. Randle is 24 right now. His game is changing and ascending.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35289 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

I would argue it can be more valuable than cycling through older, cheaper options. And they can do it and still have flexibility


There's nothing flexible about paying an old Kevin Love 30 million a year for the next 4 years.

It's a terrible deal and I want no part of it at all.

Maybe if it was one less year AND it came with an unprotected pick and an unprotected swap.

Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 1:15 pm to
Flexibility isn't an either/or thing. And the point isn't specifically about Love
Posted by Mad Scientist26
Member since Jul 2018
1942 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 1:18 pm to
Still developing yes I agree. But spot up shooting is not his game and that’s what we need. We need a stretch 4/5 that can shoot and play defense and that’s Niko. Randle is a lesser version of Zion and that’s not worth 15 mil a year which is what he may cost. He doesn’t fit with this team.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38658 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 1:20 pm to
loves skill in rebounding and outlet passes would be breathtaking with the athleticism of the new players. I’d pay the 30MM just for that if I knew he would stay healthy
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