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re: Mirotic or Julius Randle?

Posted on 6/22/19 at 11:24 am to
Posted by Macintosh504
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 11:24 am to
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Neither


This, mirotic gets way too much love on here. He’s too streaky of a shooter. If he’s here for cheap, maybe. But I’m not trying to pay the guy 15-17 mil a year
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 11:26 am to
He’s extremely streaky.

I loved Niko during that playoff run too but when he’s not on absolute fire he’s ice cold.
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 11:29 am to
Julius shot over 40% on threes after the all star break

Just sayin
Posted by Macintosh504
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 11:33 am to
I just looked to see if you’re right and it says he shot 34.5% from 3 post all star break

Before all star break he was making 34.3% of his 3s so hardly a difference
This post was edited on 6/22/19 at 11:35 am
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9759 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 11:34 am to
Yeah, I don't understand the Mirotic adoration either. The numbers for both last year are very close. Both aren't very good defenders, but they can score. Neither are the best fit next to Zion, but better than most options on the market and I don't want to over pay some 7 footer just to fill a need.

I would rather Randle though. He is younger, still improving, wants to be here (I don't want him walking and getting nothing in return) and has bought into the team culture. He is a top 10 FA and I believe will have more value down the line, if/when we want to flip him. Mirotic couldn't break the Bucks rotation and is starting to have injury concerns. So I would pick Randle..
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 11:39 am to
I don't think the age or the price tag are serious concerns.

The idea that they must look for bargain players or not spend on high priced players seems a little too reflexive here. They have a ton of bargain players and rookie controlled guys. Find guys who can help build up Zion as a pro over the next 4 years

Now, the injury history of Kevin Love scares the shite out of me.



Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
17799 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 11:39 am to
Well, all that is why Randle is going to cost more. Niko's market is as a 6th man, while Randle market is as a starter.
Posted by Macintosh504
Leveraging Salaries University
Member since Sep 2011
52560 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 11:40 am to
Mirotic had a much better defensive rating than Julius. It’s on par with guys like Embiid. Obviously not saying he’s close to being as good of a defender and embiid but considering he played on our defense that was usually cheeks throughout the year and he still had a d rating like that says a lot. He’d be a solid backup for the right price
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 11:43 am to
Where would I find that? I am looking at their advanced stats and can't find it..
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 11:43 am to
Randle is a total defensive liability and a black hole on offense. He’s a bull in a china shop and plays out of control too much.

I am not a fan of Randle AT ALL. I don’t want him back really for a reasonable price. Just move on.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 11:44 am to
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Do you want 40ish% of your cap tied up in KLove for 4 years?



If his injury history wasn't terrible, I'd be fine with it.

They need older guys who can actually play and are content to teach the younger guys. A healthy Kevin Love would help the young core out tremendously on and off the court.

The money is not a problem. They will be flexible. You should rethink conventional wisdom some on hoarding cap space. The Pels are just in a different spot than a typical rebuild
Posted by Macintosh504
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 11:46 am to
Go to NBA.com for the advanced stats on guys. Just search “player name”nba stats. And you should be able to see their advanced stats as you scroll through their bio


Here’s the link


You wanna just click the links that just have specifically their stats, not the one That talks about their bios and all that unimportant bs


And actually I was wrong about Nikos stats. Forgot to change it to regular season. His d rating here was 108.. so not that great but still better than Julius
This post was edited on 6/22/19 at 11:50 am
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9759 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 11:52 am to
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Randle is a total defensive liability and a black hole on offense. He’s a bull in a china shop and plays out of control too much.


I have said this before and just think about it. If Zion posts the same numbers and %'s as Randle last year, is that a good year?
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9759 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 11:54 am to
Thank you, I see it now..
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278221 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 12:01 pm to
Please neither, lets move on from these past losers please
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278221 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 12:03 pm to
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Julius shot over 40% on threes after the all star break


No he didn’t.

34% just like first half
Posted by 1ranter1
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
10393 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 12:03 pm to
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Get Dedmon if you can and see if you can bring in Pau


This team isn’t going to carry 4 centers (5 if you consider Wood a center).

The more I think about it the more open I’d be to Randle returning. He has worked his arse off to get better every year. Huge 3pt improvement last season. He would provide versatility since he can play PF/C unlike guys like Dedmon/Lopez.
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
6706 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 12:05 pm to
Ok well he shot 37% the last 12 games

There was a definite improvement
This post was edited on 6/22/19 at 12:07 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61447 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 12:06 pm to
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I don't think the age or the price tag are serious concerns.


At what point in Love's contract will he not be a negative asset? Near the trade deadline in his final year? If it was 3 years and not 4 I could maybe talk myself into it, but having 4 years of such a big contract that you might not be able to move seems like a bad way to make use of all of the assets and flexibility you just gained.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11865 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 12:07 pm to
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But how much are we willing to pay Niko? Who would you rather on a 4 year deal?

Niko making $20 per year
Love making $30 per year
Horford making $27 per year

We saw how getting paid killed Ryan Anderson's value as a player. I'd argue all 3 of these players on those deals clog your cap and are negative assets. So if that's the case is Love the one to go with since he's Good Starter quality and Niko is more Role Playing Starter quality?

None, I would not go 4 years unless 4th is a team option.
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