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saints5021
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re: Locked On Pels Today
Even Prime Aldridge was not as good as Zion was this year. Dame has never played with a talent like him, considering they are almost perfect compliments for each other's games


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TechTiger
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re: Locked On Pels Today
I would think Portland would want the assets and to get out from paying the tax. If Dame wants out, then they will no longer be a playoff caliber team. Even if they acquire Brandon Ingram in the trade, it’s likely not enough to move the needle for them.

Portland without Lillard is destined to rebuild, and we have the assets to acquire him while also giving him a roster to help him succeed.


Hester Carries
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You would have to send ingram.


Not necessarily. At least from a value standpoint.

If you compile assets acquired through both the Jrue trade and the AD trade its not inconceivable to say “we traded Jrue and AD for Dame and BI”



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Bronc
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Again, it just makes little sense in any hypothetical Beal or lillard trade to include BI. Not for either team.

BI to Washington means that's basically your swap. Maybe a couple token firsts but you are trading soon to be expiring all star for younger up and coming all star.

Same with Portland. Lillard fetches you more but you arent replicating the Dame era with this version of BI, so all BI does is hurt your rebuild. And because it's such a heavy asset you reduce the number of picks oyu could get from us.

From our perspective it leaves us without a third star, and in a league where you will be up against young teams like Denver, that are on there way to having three top 20 players, we'll need BI to round out the core.



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The_Duke
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re: Locked On Pels Today
What if Zion like BI?

I’m all in on Dame but I’m not trading BI


shel311
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What if Zion like BI?

Then he'll LOVE Dame

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I’m all in on Dame but I’m not trading BI

I'd help BI pack and take him to the airport if it meant getting Dame. Those 2 dudes are nowhere near comparable, not in the same universe, Dame is substantially better.


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whatiknowsofar
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all in on Dame but I’m not trading BI


Same. There's no way you can sell Dame on the Pels without two elite players ready to win now.

"Hey Dame, come to Nola and play with Zion and BI, they'll take the load off of you as you get older, you'll have all the wide open catch and shoot 3s you could dream of, and we'll wreck house until you want to retire."


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Soggymoss
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re: Locked On Pels Today
They would be in a rebuild, so they would want a package of young players and picks. Assuming we stay at 10 it would look like:
Kira
NAW
Hayes
Bledsoe
Adams (needed for salary)
#10
22 1st (best of Pels and Lakers)
23 1st
24 swap
25 1st
26 swap
27 1st

That's my godfather offer for Dame and RoCo,and honestly could probably keep 1 or 2 1sts, also still leaves the ability to re-sign Zo and Hart, although it would make us a taxpaying team, you don't go all in and then try to skirt around the tax.
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Crazed2APoint
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Lillard gone on record multiple times saying real good things about Lonzo? If he truly thinks highly of Lonzo and we resign him, although young, Zion, Ingram, and Lonzo is a better nucleus than he ever had in Portland. Put some defense and some shooters around them and we'd be looking great.


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duyp
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You don’t have to offer that much for Dame. Especially if he wants out. There aren’t many teams that have what the Pelicans have. Look at what Harden got.

Also you don’t want RoCo. He isn’t the same player like he was before
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J_Hingle
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You don’t have to offer that much for Dame. Especially if he wants out. There aren’t many teams that have what the Pelicans have. Look at what Harden got.


Difference is, Harden dictated where he wanted to go. I doubt Dame says he wants to be sent to NOLA lol. If that were the case, then no you wouldn't have to give up that much


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Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
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re: Locked On Pels Today
It's essentially 1 extra 1st round pick compared to what we recieved for AD. Dame has 4 years left on his contract, and 29 other teams will be bidding against you. Yes you will have to give that much up.

Also, RoCo would be here as a backup 3/4 playing 20 minutes a night. That's the role he would be perfect in, he's not a starter.

That deal also leaves us with a 1st round pick in every single season to use in other deals. The only hole would be at the 5, but you use the MLE and 2nd rounders to shore up that hole. The roster would look like:

Dame/FA
Ball/Hart/Naji
Ingram/Didi/Iwundu
Zion/RoCo/Gabriel

We would be extremely top heavy, but you would get some good vets that would run here on the vet min deal to play, along with the MLE.

Without Ball and Hart, that's a 99 million dollar roster leaving 37 million under the tax. You could sign Ball to a 4/80, Hart to a 4/44 and still be roughly about 13 million under the tax apron (the cutoff for using the non taxpayer mle), so you could use the whole 9 million MLE on a big and backup PG, and fill out the rest with vet minimums and 2nd rounders.
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PrayingMantis
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re: Locked On Pels Today
Trading for an upgrade to our 2 best players will never be as good as trading for a 3rd star. I’ll say this till the cows come home, we are trying to win a championship, not be a really good team. Zion and Dame with no assets isn’t enough. We have enough to give Portland to not give up Ingram. Zion and Ingram gets us to at beat Western Finals. Zion BI and Dame puts as contenders for however long we can keep them together. BI and Zion both benefit from Dames spacing and ball movement.
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DeionDeion
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Member since Apr 2010
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re: Locked On Pels Today
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I’m all in on Dame but I’m not trading BI


well just to set your expectations, let me tell you that if Dame or Beal or someone of that caliber comes available, BI is on the table. you might not want to trade him, but I am 100% positive the organization would if they get a top tier player in return


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Townedrunkard
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re: Locked On Pels Today
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You don’t have to offer that much for Dame. Especially if he wants out. There aren’t many teams that have what the Pelicans have. Look at what Harden got.


Yea there’s no way I’m paying that much for a 31 year old small guard. Maybe if he was in his prime at 25-26. But not Hayes, And a bunch of firsts. I’d say Kira, NAW and some firsts. That’s probably my better than what the Rox got for Harden.


DeionDeion
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re: Locked On Pels Today
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Yea there’s no way I’m paying that much for a 31 year old small guard. Maybe if he was in his prime at 25-26. But not Hayes, And a bunch of firsts. I’d say Kira, NAW and some firsts. That’s probably my better than what the Rox got for Harden


yall wild up in here


GOP_Tiger
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re: Locked On Pels Today
I'll give Portland Wes Iwundu and a couple of 2nds. No way am I giving up more than that!



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TeddyPadillac
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re: Locked On Pels Today
If you trade for Lillard, that means you want to win a championship in the next 3 years, starting this year.

BI is obviously the biggest trade asset we have.
NAW/Kira/Jaxson/picks are all next and of somewhat equal value for the most part, some more than others.

Could we get Lillard while keeping BI, maybe. If we did, then we'd be a championship caliber team with just those 3 i think.
You could either resign Lonzo or send him to someone like Dallas for Hardaway, or Toronto for Gary Trent.

If we had to include BI, then that should lesson the load on all the assets we had to give up to get Lillard, and there should be some left over to go get a good role player. Also, if we did BI/Kira/1sts for Lillard, we could get rid of Bledsoe and have $20M in cap space. Get rid of Adams too and you have a max spot. Could Lillard convince someone like DeRozan to come here with him?


touchdownjeebus
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Sep 2010
17380 posts

re: Locked On Pels Today
Adams
Bledsoe
Naw

And every laker and buck pick.

They get a young player and a war chest to rebuild. We keep BI and Hayes.


Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
6950 posts

re: Locked On Pels Today
That's easily beaten by 15 teams with any sort of good young player.


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