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Locked On Pels Today
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:52 am
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:52 am
Today on Jake’s podcast he talks about Dame and his “cryptic” Instagram post. Jake then goes on to discuss what it would take to pry away Dame and pair him with Zion. He also talks about how Dame would have probably been the least likely of superstars to get traded, considering how loyal and happy Dame seems to have been in his time in Portland. This could be changing soon if you want to read into his socials.
In this unlikely but possible scenario, how would you see the Pels making this happen? Would the compensation be a combination of some of our young players along with our war chest of picks, or would try to include Brandon Ingram in the deal and possibly resign Lonzo and Hart(obviously picks would still be involved)?
All of this is pure speculation, but I think it would be interesting to see what everyone puts together to get Dame Time to New Orleans.
In this unlikely but possible scenario, how would you see the Pels making this happen? Would the compensation be a combination of some of our young players along with our war chest of picks, or would try to include Brandon Ingram in the deal and possibly resign Lonzo and Hart(obviously picks would still be involved)?
All of this is pure speculation, but I think it would be interesting to see what everyone puts together to get Dame Time to New Orleans.
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Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:58 am to TechTiger
If you can realistically get Dame you do what you gotta do to get him and pair with Zion. I wouldnt want to get rid of Ingram but if you have to in order to get Dame then you do it. Dame is the most clutch player in the league imho.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:02 pm to smoke225
If we could get Dame without trading Ingram that would be fantastic
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:04 pm to smoke225
You would have to send ingram. They don’t pick up the phone if ingram is off the table.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:05 pm to JohnnyKilroy
What about all the Laker Picks?
Portland would be essentially in a rebuild
Portland would be essentially in a rebuild
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:08 pm to TechTiger
I’m all for Dame. If it takes throwing in BI do it. No hesitation.
I know I’m in the minority here but I can’t listen to that dude. That podcast sucks. I’m sure most of you guys like him because he posts here sometimes.
I know I’m in the minority here but I can’t listen to that dude. That podcast sucks. I’m sure most of you guys like him because he posts here sometimes.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:09 pm to 50_Tiger
Wouldn’t be enough. Given his track record I would say lillard has more trade value than AD when we traded him. We would have to unload the warchest of picks plus ingram etc.
We would be competing with every single team basically.
We would be competing with every single team basically.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:15 pm to TechTiger
Would love to have Dame, absolute dream pairing.
The only thing I think should be noted, and its a big one we have to figure out:
Does Lillard age like Curry or Kemba?
If he ages like Curry then we have a top 3 PG for the next several seasons.
He hasnt yet, but if he starts aging like Kemba and a lot of undersized shoot-first point guards, it's a big risk.
If he starts to age like Kemba, we have a 45 million dollar anchor that ensures Zion is plotting his exit early in his next contract.
To be clear I'm willing to take the risk, it's just worth considering.
The only thing I think should be noted, and its a big one we have to figure out:
Does Lillard age like Curry or Kemba?
If he ages like Curry then we have a top 3 PG for the next several seasons.
He hasnt yet, but if he starts aging like Kemba and a lot of undersized shoot-first point guards, it's a big risk.
If he starts to age like Kemba, we have a 45 million dollar anchor that ensures Zion is plotting his exit early in his next contract.
To be clear I'm willing to take the risk, it's just worth considering.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:17 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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You would have to send ingram. They don’t pick up the phone if ingram is off the table.
I would imagine that would be the first chip needed. Portland would immediately ask for him to start things off. Also, Dame does not have a No-Trade-Clause so we lose a little leverage there. I would imagine Portland would also be finding ways to move CJ as well.
I played around with a Dallas/Portland/New Orleans trade, and it....
Dame going to New Orleans
CJ going to Dallas
Porzingis going to Portland
There are a lot more moving pieces as well, but the Pelicans essentially pick up Dame and keep Ingram. They send out Picks and Kira Lewis along with Adams and Bledsoe to fill salaries. Josh Hart is re-signed. Lonzo is singed and traded to another team. Pels pretty much become a tax team after that, and can only fill their roster with Exception level players and Vet min contracts.....but I made it work.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:17 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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We would be competing with every single team basically.
Most teams don't have a fraction of the warchest we do, and those that might, the bottom dwellers with expected high draft picks, arent going to mortgage their future to build a lesser version of Portland during Lillard's twilight.
I'd say the Pels would be as well positioned as any team in the league if Portland makes that move this offseason to blow it up....Which I dont think they will do IMO. They will fire the coach, trade CJ and Covington, move as many deck chairs on the Titanic as they can until the boat has actually sunk.
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You would have to send ingram
Doubt it.
If the Blazers are trading Dame it's because they are going into rebuild mode. BI would be a player that is just good enough to hurt your draft positioning, but not good enough to turn you back into a playoff team.
My guess? The cost would be around something like this years first, a couple Pels firsts and/or some pick swaps, and one or both of the later Bucks/Lakers picks to go with 1-2 of Kira, NAW, and Hayes. You can't really list many teams that could beat that.
This post was edited on 6/4/21 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:18 pm to TechTiger
You get Dame no matter the cost...it goes a long way to proving to Zion that you are not fricking around with his career.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:22 pm to Breadstick Gun
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I know I’m in the minority here but I can’t listen to that dude. That podcast sucks. I’m sure most of you guys like him because he posts here sometimes
I like that he doesn’t go full on fan mode, and has some decent perspective.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:22 pm to JohnnyKilroy
If I'm Portland I'd want
Ingram
2 of NAW, Jax, Kira
This years' Pels pick
The better of NO/LAL picks in 22
24 Lakers pick (the one they could defer to 25)
26 and 28 Pels picks
And I'd give it to them, I'd even offer them a Bucks pick for the hell of it
Ingram
2 of NAW, Jax, Kira
This years' Pels pick
The better of NO/LAL picks in 22
24 Lakers pick (the one they could defer to 25)
26 and 28 Pels picks
And I'd give it to them, I'd even offer them a Bucks pick for the hell of it
This post was edited on 6/4/21 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:23 pm to Bronc
quote:
Does Lillard age like Curry or Kemba?
Lillard is 2 month younger than Kemba.
He clearly doesn’t age like Kemba.
This post was edited on 6/4/21 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:25 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
Lillard is 2 month younger than Kemba.
He clearly doesn’t age like Kemba.
I hate when people don't keep reading so people end up repeating what they already said....
He hasnt yet, but if he starts aging like Kemba and a lot of undersized shoot-first point guards, it's a big risk.
If he starts to age like Kemba, we have a 45 million dollar anchor that ensures Zion is plotting his exit early in his next contract.
To be clear I'm willing to take the risk, it's just worth considering.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:29 pm to TechTiger
I'm giving up everything outside of BI and Z first. You have to sell Dame on that Big 3. And a 31 year old Dame does not have more value than an in his prime AD.
NAW
Kira
5 best picks we have (if we hit no. 1 this draft that obviously changes)
S&T Lonzo and or Hart
If they don't bite I'm throwing BI out but taking back NAW and Kira. No way in hell am I trading away them and BI. And if BI goes they need to get a third team to take Bled.
NAW
Kira
5 best picks we have (if we hit no. 1 this draft that obviously changes)
S&T Lonzo and or Hart
If they don't bite I'm throwing BI out but taking back NAW and Kira. No way in hell am I trading away them and BI. And if BI goes they need to get a third team to take Bled.
This post was edited on 6/4/21 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:29 pm to Bronc
quote:
I hate when people don't keep reading so people end up repeating what they already said....
Considering he hasn’t had much injury history and is still playing at an extremely high caliber, I would take the risk as well.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:32 pm to whatiknowsofar
The other thing that needs to be thought of in a trade like this is your competition.
Fact is, there aren't a lot of teams that could beat half that offer you just listed(or the one I listed earlier for that matter).
You don't want to Ainge it up, but you do have to ask what can the other guys even offer? Other than OKC we can kinda run circles around most teams asset wise, and I dont think OKC would be in the mix at this point.
Fact is, there aren't a lot of teams that could beat half that offer you just listed(or the one I listed earlier for that matter).
You don't want to Ainge it up, but you do have to ask what can the other guys even offer? Other than OKC we can kinda run circles around most teams asset wise, and I dont think OKC would be in the mix at this point.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:35 pm to smoke225
BI, Kira, #10, 2022 1st, 2023 first, 2025 1st.
If that could get it done, i'd do it in a heartbeat. We'd still have a good bit of picks to use for another good player.
Keep Hart, send Lonzo to Dallas in a S&T swap of Tim Hardaway Jr.
I'd even keep Bledsoe in this scenario and use him off the bench, assuming he wanted the role as the 6th man, which i think he could do well at, and he'd be playing 25mpg anyway. He's a better defender than what was shown this past year.
Lillard/Bledsoe
NAW/Hart
Hardaway/Naji
Zion/(MLE on McDermott)
Adams/Jaxson/JJ(we can get him back with this lineup)
If that could get it done, i'd do it in a heartbeat. We'd still have a good bit of picks to use for another good player.
Keep Hart, send Lonzo to Dallas in a S&T swap of Tim Hardaway Jr.
I'd even keep Bledsoe in this scenario and use him off the bench, assuming he wanted the role as the 6th man, which i think he could do well at, and he'd be playing 25mpg anyway. He's a better defender than what was shown this past year.
Lillard/Bledsoe
NAW/Hart
Hardaway/Naji
Zion/(MLE on McDermott)
Adams/Jaxson/JJ(we can get him back with this lineup)
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:38 pm to TechTiger
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Considering he hasn’t had much injury history and is still playing at an extremely high caliber, I would take the risk as well.
And like I said, I 100% agree. It's a risk you gotta take and just hope he ages like Curry/Nash/Paul and not start going the path of Kemba.
And like you said, there's good reason to think he would age gracefully.
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