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re: Locked On Pels Today
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:39 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:39 pm to TeddyPadillac
I think a team with BI / Z / Dame is a championship now level team.
Easily enough to be a top 3 seed in the West.
Arguably the weakest link would be the coach...
Easily enough to be a top 3 seed in the West.
Arguably the weakest link would be the coach...
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Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:43 pm to 50_Tiger
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Arguably the weakest link would be the coach...
Who cares about the coach at this point.....
He just needs to stay out of these guys way.
This post was edited on 6/4/21 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:44 pm to 50_Tiger
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I think a team with BI / Z / Dame is a championship now level team.
I'd say it would have to be a top 4 favorite to go with LAL, LAC, and a healthy Denver. And I think LAC really wouldn't be a threat...
If they are blowing it up(and I'm pretty sure they wont but this gives us all something to fantasize about) I would love to pull Covington away in that deal as well. Basically a vet version of Hart's role at his expected upcoming salary, but can shoot better and guard more positions.
This post was edited on 6/4/21 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:45 pm to TechTiger
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Who cares about the coach at this point.....
He just needs to stay out of these guys way.
He's literally never been able to do this in his previous coaching stints, which was the main reason why i didn't want him.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:49 pm to TeddyPadillac
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He's literally never been able to do this in his previous coaching stints, which was the main reason why i didn't want him.
This is true....but if he still wants a job, then he listen when Griffin tells him to shut up.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:50 pm to TeddyPadillac
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He's literally never been able to do this in his previous coaching stints, which was the main reason why i didn't want him.
You mean except when he took a team to the finals and was a perennial contender?
I don't think SVG is an elite coach either, and his crass ways don't gel as well in this era, but some of you go way too far in the other direction.
We'd be just fine with him as coach.
Would an upgrade be a bad thing? Probably not, but Vogel has a ring, and so does Lue. Nash very well might have one by seasons end and he just basically organizes practices for a living and has the best court seats in NY.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:59 pm to Bronc
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You mean except when he took a team to the finals and was a perennial contender?
so he didn't have issues with superstar Dwight Howard?
And if you didn't know, Shaq's nickname for him is "master of panic" b/c of how he chokes at the end of games.
SVG thinks he's the most important person on the team. His ego will never allow him to be a great coach.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
I'd send them BI, Kira, Bledsoe, a few firsts (including this years), and a couple swaps. For Dame and RoCo.
I'd re-sign Ball and Hart.
Lillard/MLE
Ball/NAW
RoCo/Hart
Zion/Naji
Adams/Hayes
RoCo could play some 4 when Zion rests, NAW and/or Ball could play PG when Lillard rests.
ETA: In a dream world where we’re pairing Lillard with Zion, I would want to surround them with 3 and D type players, rather than an offensive focused wing like Ingram. That team would have enough scoring punch with Lillard, Zion, and NAW off of the bench.
I'd re-sign Ball and Hart.
Lillard/MLE
Ball/NAW
RoCo/Hart
Zion/Naji
Adams/Hayes
RoCo could play some 4 when Zion rests, NAW and/or Ball could play PG when Lillard rests.
ETA: In a dream world where we’re pairing Lillard with Zion, I would want to surround them with 3 and D type players, rather than an offensive focused wing like Ingram. That team would have enough scoring punch with Lillard, Zion, and NAW off of the bench.
This post was edited on 6/4/21 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 6/4/21 at 1:06 pm to Epic Cajun
Even though he doesnt have a no trade clause they arent going to trade him somewhere he doesn't want to go. They are on good terms.
Think like Jrue
Think like Jrue
This post was edited on 6/4/21 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 6/4/21 at 1:08 pm to TeddyPadillac
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so he didn't have issues with superstar Dwight Howard?
Like I said, I'm not opposed to an upgrade, but worse coaches have won titles with less. SVG won't and wouldn't be the reason a Dame/Zion/BI core didn't win a chip.
Also, there isn't a coach(or in many cases player) around that time Dwight didn't create friction with.
Dude cried or burnt bridges in Orlando, LA, and Houston.
It was that same Shaq and Chuck that had to have a come to Jesus moment with him on air to try and get him to stop burning every bridge he came across.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 1:11 pm to TeddyPadillac
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He's literally never been able to do this in his previous coaching stints, which was the main reason why i didn't want him.
Hes also brought a team to the Finals, but everyone wants to look at what Stan has failed at more.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 1:19 pm to whatiknowsofar
Stan is basically the coaching version of this meme to some people:
Posted on 6/4/21 at 1:26 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I'd even keep Bledsoe in this scenario and use him off the bench, assuming he wanted the role as the 6th man,
Not a chance I would provide him the courtesy of ever being on a winning team again.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 1:39 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Hes also brought a team to the Finals, but everyone wants to look at what Stan has failed at more.
So did Byron Scott and Ty Lue.
I have never said he's not a good coach, he's just not the right coach for this team.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 1:50 pm to TechTiger
This has already been discussed here:
Portland is not going to trade him unless he wants to leave, and Dame is not going to ask out unless he wants to go somewhere else where he thinks he can win a ring.
So, the only way that Dame comes to New Orleans is if we also get another star to play with him -- Dame would have to believe that we could win a title, and there's no way that the Pels without Ingram would truly contend, so we'd have to truly empty the cupboard and trade all the picks and swaps we can to accomplish that. If it happened though, we would be the favorites to win it all next season.
And Dame and Zion would be an incredibly lethal combo. They would space a defense like no other team in NBA history. If a team tried to double one, they would immediately get punished by the other.
I do think that Dame knows this. He and Zion would both average 35 points a night.
Portland is not going to trade him unless he wants to leave, and Dame is not going to ask out unless he wants to go somewhere else where he thinks he can win a ring.
So, the only way that Dame comes to New Orleans is if we also get another star to play with him -- Dame would have to believe that we could win a title, and there's no way that the Pels without Ingram would truly contend, so we'd have to truly empty the cupboard and trade all the picks and swaps we can to accomplish that. If it happened though, we would be the favorites to win it all next season.
And Dame and Zion would be an incredibly lethal combo. They would space a defense like no other team in NBA history. If a team tried to double one, they would immediately get punished by the other.
I do think that Dame knows this. He and Zion would both average 35 points a night.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 1:53 pm to TechTiger
I'm completely open to trading Ingram, but I'm not sure if I would move him for a 30 year old Dame. Maybe a 27 or 28 year old Dame. Obviously Dame is better and would make the team better, but I would like to build this roster for sustained success.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 1:54 pm to GOP_Tiger
If Dame says he wants out, then we could still keep Ingram. We wouldn’t have much roster flexibility, but we could make it happen.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 2:12 pm to TechTiger
Off topic a bit, but will Stephen Curry be cheaper than Damian Lillard? Curry will be an expiring next year. If Warriors can’t make playoffs, I don’t think they would want to pay that luxurious tax again. It all depends if Klay can come back healthy and if Wiseman can improve. I know they want to trade this years pick and Wiseman for another star, but there aren’t many out there. Plus you can see how frustrated with his team even more than Damian
This post was edited on 6/4/21 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 6/4/21 at 2:18 pm to duyp
Warriors will swing for Towns or Beal...you can book it!
Now if they do trade for another star player and they have more injury problems or falter again, then maybe they try and rebuild a little. I doubt they trade an expiring Steph, but their payroll is massive and they will likely be crippled with Klay's contract and whoever they trade for still on the books.
Now if they do trade for another star player and they have more injury problems or falter again, then maybe they try and rebuild a little. I doubt they trade an expiring Steph, but their payroll is massive and they will likely be crippled with Klay's contract and whoever they trade for still on the books.
This post was edited on 6/4/21 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 6/4/21 at 2:28 pm to TechTiger
what makes answering this question difficult is what Portland's direction would be if Dame asks for a trade.
Do they want to gather a ton of assets & essentially bottom out? Do you still want to be competitive? Is CJ still there and do you build around him?
the good news about this is that the Pels can facilitate almost anything the Blazers would want. young talent, picks way out, a solid young all-star, etc.
I would assume if we went to get Dame or Beal, both of those organizations would want BI in the deal. If you go to LAC for PG, they'd probably want a ton of assets.
Do they want to gather a ton of assets & essentially bottom out? Do you still want to be competitive? Is CJ still there and do you build around him?
the good news about this is that the Pels can facilitate almost anything the Blazers would want. young talent, picks way out, a solid young all-star, etc.
I would assume if we went to get Dame or Beal, both of those organizations would want BI in the deal. If you go to LAC for PG, they'd probably want a ton of assets.
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