re: KOC: Celtics have emerged as contenders for Jrue

I don't think the Pacers think of Turner as a throw in.

I was always against turner if Jrue was staying but with him leaving, Turner would be a good haul if he’s on the table. We can do a lot worse considering what these rumors in the past few days look like.

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Jaxon and a 1st

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I would do this in a heartbeat. Not #13 but next years unprotected 1st.

Turner is now what we hope Jax develops into.

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I’m sure this is your typical, everyone talks about the Patriots so I don’t like them, everyone talks about the Lakers so I hate them etc. I can totally understand Myles Turner fatigue.

Turner had an ankle injury at the beginning of last season that really slowed him a bit. But the guy is just 24 years old, and he is a highly skilled, true big man and rim protector. I would like to see him rebound better, but some of that comes from playing with Sabonis and also being away from the rim as a court spreader.

2 seasons ago, he shot nearly 39% from three with 2.7 blocks a game. And he’s consistently been a mid 70’s Ft shooter. All that at 22 years old. The kid can play and would be a really strong complimentary piece.

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I used to be on board the Turner train, but I think it’s incredibly easy to do what you did here, and assume he’s a good player. Then I watched him, I studied him, etc. He leaves a lot to be desired.

Take the three point shooting for example. Yeah he shot 39% two years ago, but that doesn’t tell the whole story. Firstly, he’s never made more than one a game. So we aren’t talking about a guy who is making 4 or 5 a night. The more important piece of evidence is how teams defend him from 3, they simply don’t. They don’t respect his shot from 3, so all the presumed spacing he would provide just isn’t true. He was left “open to wide open” on 96% of his attempted 3’s this season. He doesn’t provide spacing to your offense.

Take his rebounding. Like his 3pt shooting, it’s kind of nonexistent. He was in the 30th percentile amongst bigs in rebounding rate, just 12.2%. Even worse, he was in the 9th percentile for C’s, finishing 51st out of 56th. Favors was 10th for example. Turner was equally as bad on the offensive boards. When you actually watch him and don’t rely on numbers he’s just as bad. Poor effort, poor understanding of rebounding angles, etc etc. When you have a guy like Zion who you can’t properly project as a rebounder going forward, that’s probably not the kind of guy you want next to him.

He is a very good shot blocker and rim defender, I’ll give you that, but it’s when you look at other areas of his defense he leaves a lot to be desired. When he has to leave the paint he struggles. He was poor defending the PnR last season, he doesn’t offer much switchability, struggles defending in space, etc etc.

Then there’s some other areas of his game that you need to look at. How poor he is at finishing, 17th percentile amongst centers. Remember how much we complained about Favors? He was 57th percentile.

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The 6 is the centerpiece of that Jrue deal,

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Same question stands if that is the centerpiece, & not the player

That is a shitty return

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How is that absurd, & the idea that Kevin Huerter is the centerpiece of a Jrue deal not?

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#6 is the centerpiece. Maybe it’s a shitty return but we’re likely here because it’s shitty return or no return.

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6 is the centerpiece. Maybe it’s a shitty return but we’re likely here because it’s shitty return or no return.

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Either the whole league is putting in bids or not

The return shouldn’t be bad if the whole league is interested, right?

For starters, he is not the perfect player, and I have watched him a lot. As I said, to me his rebounding is my biggest concern as far as his fit with us.

But technically he did make more than one three a game. Just last year. Shooting 34.4% on four threes a game. I believe he’s better than that even, probably settling in at 36%+. Open or not, that makes it an above average efficient shot. And for a center.

He was the defensive anchor for the 6th most efficient defense in the league last season, and they were 3rd in the entire league the year before.

He’s also a legit 6’11, 250 pounds, and sets really good picks.

The guy is 24 years old, and if nothing else, worst case scenario, a good starting center in this league at a good price.

Turner is certainly not a throw-in. I'd advocate for Turner or Ibaka and no way do I include Jaxon in any talks. Jaxon is every bit the athletic phenom as Zion, at 20yr. old, he is just not ready yet for full-time duties on a team with intentions of playoffs. Ibaka or Turner is the blueprint of how you want Jax to develop...Anchor the defense, Rim Protect, High Screen picker with a Roll to the bucket or pop out for three.

Tandem Jax with either of these two and add a big athletic 4 (Williams or Smith in the draft) and we are set in the frontcourt.

I just don’t understand what makes Turner unappealing, when you start to compare him to some of these other players mentioned.

Is it the contract?