re: KOC: Celtics have emerged as contenders for Jrue

What do you think of this trade ?

Trade Celtics and Pelicans

I think a lot of folk like small ball, specifically with Zion at the 5. Adding bigs just takes away his minutes there. Personally, I think of Zion as a wing that can thrive in the paint, not a big who can play on the wing.... he gives away too much leverage for more than short stretches.
If we are building with BI and Zo you are going to have to let them develop their games for maximum benefit, and that's on the perimeter coming downhill. If they are allowed to develop, you're going to get close to 60 points a game between them if you don't clog the lanes on offense. You surround them with 3 point snipers, perimeter ball hawks, and rim protectors that can stretch the floor on offense.

Jaxon runs the floor at least as well as Zion, has elite hands, good feet, and is explosive (not as explosive as Zion) while being 7ft. Obviously he does not have the touch around the rim, ball handling, or playmaking/passing skills as Zion, but we're talking just being an athlete here.

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I just don’t understand what makes Turner unappealing, when you start to compare him to some of these other players mentioned.

Is it the contract?

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It’s just an abundance of things. First, do you really want a center that doesn’t rebound? Do you really want a center that isn’t that good defending outside the paint in the modern day NBA? If you read what Indiana fans think of him he’s a very frustrating offensive player. Poor finisher, doesn't really get to the line, underwhelming passer, etc.

Second, as someone else said, what do you give up for him? Take a look at what Atlanta gave up for Clint Capela, who is on a comparable contract, and who I think is a considerably better player. Evan Turners expiring contract, the Nets 2020 lottery protected first, and a 2024 second rounder. Cleveland traded Brandon Knight, John Henson, and a 2nd rounder for Andre Drummond.

What are we theorizing here to give up? Certainly more than that for a player that isn’t as good.

And thirdly, and it’s kind of the same, what is the value of a center in today’s NBA? Turner is averaging 28.8 minutes a game the last 3 seasons. I know we have a different coach, but Favors played 24 minutes a night last season. Jaxson played 26 when he started. Non dominate centers don’t play 36 minutes a night anymore, and that drastically brings down their value. You saw what guys like Capela and Drummond commanded in trades.

I would gladly take a shot on Turner, but I’m not giving up anything of major value for him.

Agree. Can't believe I am saying this.

If I told you Turner & Huerter are both future 40% 3 shooters, Turner as a stretch player & Huerter as your typical shooting guard, which is more valuable?

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I think I’d like to seem him play with multiple legit scoring threats and see what he’d bring to a team.

Good teammate

Extensive playoff experience for his age Still only 24. Has growth potential

The Pels front court is totally incomplete. So you’d add a guy to compliment him.

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That’s all well and good, but it doesn’t make his asking price any higher than better centers we have seen traded for much less.

Clint capela has not attempted a 3 pointer in his career lol

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If I told you Turner & Huerter are both future 40% 3 shooters, Turner as a stretch player & Huerter as your typical shooting guard, which is more valuable?

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Considering Turner is making 1 maybe 2 a game, and Huerter is making probably in the neighborhood of 4 in his prime? And considering I already proved that Turner isn’t stretching the defense? Huerter easily

We’re taking in the next 5 years. The way the NBA is going , it’s going to be common for sharpshooters which Huerter is. Redick should have been in that group last season but Gentry didn’t use him nearly enough.