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re: John Hollinger's bizarre bitter hatred for the Pels continues
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:07 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:07 pm to Fun Bunch
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criticizes us for being "too quick" to build around Zion. Duncan said we "pushed our chips in too early" and are gonna be in cap hell too early.
People said this last year when we traded for CJ McCollum "just to make the playin tournament" as if it was for a half-season rental only.
And the only way a team would be "too quick" to build around their franchise player is if that player takes a few seasons to become a superstar. Zion already is. There is no reason to wait for anything at this point. Not to mention we have plenty of assets still left.
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:19 pm to Fun Bunch
Duncan and Hollinger are both cocksuckers, I used to listen to Nate quite a bit back in the day.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:21 pm to shel311
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:45 pm to SaintTigerPel
Yeah I don’t understand the “pushed our chips in too early” comment.
We have 7 1st rd picks in the next 5 years with 1 being most likely top 10 next year.
We also have 4 guys on rookie deals that are already considered starters/ future starters.
We have 7 1st rd picks in the next 5 years with 1 being most likely top 10 next year.
We also have 4 guys on rookie deals that are already considered starters/ future starters.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:51 pm to Dantheman504
So who do they actually like?
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:54 pm to ghost2most
Please tell me they put the Lakers high just so ik they're ape shite lol
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:56 pm to Dantheman504
Almost as if they consider the AD trade "pushing in our chips" to build around Zion. Otherwise, the only other one they could even consider would be the CJ trade that netted us CJ and Nance for minimal assets. Not sure they have a clue what we have done or what we should have done. Duncan is an idiot and Hollinger is worse.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:16 pm to NOSHAU
“Minimal assets” for us is a ton for other teams.
We sent out what amounts to the Bucks’ 2024 first, Hart, and pocket change (Didi, NAW) for CJ, Nance, and ballast.
If we missed the playoffs, giving up what would have been Daniels would have sucked.
We sent out what amounts to the Bucks’ 2024 first, Hart, and pocket change (Didi, NAW) for CJ, Nance, and ballast.
If we missed the playoffs, giving up what would have been Daniels would have sucked.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:17 pm to Fun Bunch
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being "too quick" to build around Zion. Duncan said we "pushed our chips in too early" and are gonna be in cap hell too early.
Does he think this is Zion's 2nd year?
Zion already got his max and BI is on a max. I hope nobody is arguing with those contracts. With almost any other salary, we're in "trouble" with those 2 contracts. Where do they think our optimal cap situation is in 22-23?
This just makes no fricking sense.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:19 pm to NOSHAU
Duncan has ALWAYS been extremely anti Pels. I believe he went to Tulane, which somehow has something to do with his negative passion. It’s absurd.
And it’s always nonsensical, bashing the Pels for extending Adam’s and then praising the Grizz for extending him a year older for a lot more. Or bashing the Pels for Jonas’ lack of spacing and naming centers that shoot way worse than him. The damn team could be first in the west by tonight for gods sake.
If paying to trade Bledsoe gets you Jonas and Murphy, I can’t wait to see how paying for Graham to leave turns out.
And it’s always nonsensical, bashing the Pels for extending Adam’s and then praising the Grizz for extending him a year older for a lot more. Or bashing the Pels for Jonas’ lack of spacing and naming centers that shoot way worse than him. The damn team could be first in the west by tonight for gods sake.
If paying to trade Bledsoe gets you Jonas and Murphy, I can’t wait to see how paying for Graham to leave turns out.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:29 pm to PELsu
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If paying to trade Bledsoe gets you Jonas and Murphy, I can’t wait to see how paying for Graham to leave turns out.
Yeah he said "We'll be trying to get off of graham for a while". Graham is essentially an expiring after this season. Last time i checked its not too hard to get rid of expirings. I doubt he even knows that grahams last year only has like 3m guaranteed
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:33 pm to Fun Bunch
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"pushed our chips in too early"
Which chips did we push in? We still have one of the biggest stacks at the table.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:36 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:after next season, not this one
Graham is essentially an expiring after this season
2023-4 gtd at 12MM
2024-25 gtd at 2.8MM until 7/1/24
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:38 pm to cgrand
That’s what he meant. After this season, Graham will be a virtual expiring contract.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:48 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
The “pushed the chips in too early” comment wasn’t in regards to assets, but in regards to cap space and flexibility in the future. In that regard, and in that regard only, he is not entirely wrong.
I think where he misses the boat slightly is that we are not a FA destination and we want to build a culture of winning. Because of this, having empty cap space doesn’t necessarily help us as much as say Miami. I also think he misses the boat on what it would take to get out of any contracts. As long as the player isn’t completely toxic, dumping a contract in the NBA is never that hard. Right now, I don’t see any toxic players or horrible contracts on the roster.
I think where he misses the boat slightly is that we are not a FA destination and we want to build a culture of winning. Because of this, having empty cap space doesn’t necessarily help us as much as say Miami. I also think he misses the boat on what it would take to get out of any contracts. As long as the player isn’t completely toxic, dumping a contract in the NBA is never that hard. Right now, I don’t see any toxic players or horrible contracts on the roster.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:51 pm to Balsamic_duck
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Yeah he said "We'll be trying to get off of graham for a while". Graham is essentially an expiring after this season. Last time i checked its not too hard to get rid of expirings. I doubt he even knows that grahams last year only has like 3m guaranteed
Graham is due $12.1M next year. The standard MLE is projected to be $11.368M next year. If you picked up his option for 2024/2025, it's basically the MLE. He's shooting .396 from 3 with 4 decent volume for a role player.
Do I love the contract? No. Is it a terrible contract? Absolutely not. In fact, having only $15M guaranteed over the last 2 years is chump change in today's cap dollars. That contract will also be fricking premium if we tried to use picks to upgrade his roster spot.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:52 pm to Fun Bunch
Nate Duncan is always super negative about everything NBA related
He sure is condescending for someone who does this shite as a hobby
He sure is condescending for someone who does this shite as a hobby
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:52 pm to Baron
quote:True but it still doesn't make sense though.
The “pushed the chips in too early” comment wasn’t in regards to assets, but in regards to cap space and flexibility in the future. In that regard, and in that regard only, he is not necessarily wrong.
Zion is in year 4, BI year 7. We have to go now, hell I'd argue we're late since dudes usually break out year 3 and Zion didn't play last season. We made the move last season but it was setup for this season.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:54 pm to Baron
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The “pushed the chips in too early” comment wasn’t in regards to assets, but in regards to cap space and flexibility in the future. In that regard, and in that regard only, he is not necessarily wrong.
That, too, is a stupid take. Explain a way for use to have Zion and BI on this same roster that leaves us with cap space. You basically gut the roster to get one more player. You then have no way to upgrade beyond the MLE. As it stands, we have a solid roster, and several mid-sized contracts that can be paired with our arsenal of picks if the right player becomes available.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:58 pm to shel311
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True but it still doesn't make sense though.
Zion is in year 4, BI year 7. We have to go now, hell I'd argue we're late since dudes usually break out year 3 and Zion didn't play last season. We made the move last season but it was setup for this season.
I think he would rather us use our cap space to acquire more assets and be more flexible for the future, similar to how Memphis is set up right now. On paper, that may be the better way forward for small market franchises, however, we needed a culture change, teach the young guys how to win/be professional, and for outside players to take us seriously. In order to do that, you need to bring in vets and culture guys like Nance and CJ. We see that from 1000 miles up as a win-later move, but I can easily see how others would view it more as a win-now move.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 3:59 pm
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