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re: I’m done.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:30 am to macatak911
Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:30 am to macatak911
The effort and the repeated slow starts to games and 3rd quarters is frustrating beyond belief. It's on the players and coaches. The organization is going to have to change things up if there is not a marked turn around post-ASB.
As of now, it appears this will be Gentry's last season with the team unless Boogie demands he stay. I know there is a narrative that the coaches are not to blame and the effort issue is all on the players, but it is on both the players, the coaches, and the GM.
This is not reactionary either. Look at how motivated and well executed Snyder has the Jazz. They lost their best player and were able to hang around. Look at the turnover on the Celtics, but they chug along. Gentry has the rest of the season to turn it around and adjust to the loss of Boogie, but unless there is a real change in level of play, I think he is gone.
As of now, it appears this will be Gentry's last season with the team unless Boogie demands he stay. I know there is a narrative that the coaches are not to blame and the effort issue is all on the players, but it is on both the players, the coaches, and the GM.
This is not reactionary either. Look at how motivated and well executed Snyder has the Jazz. They lost their best player and were able to hang around. Look at the turnover on the Celtics, but they chug along. Gentry has the rest of the season to turn it around and adjust to the loss of Boogie, but unless there is a real change in level of play, I think he is gone.
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:34 am to chesty
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Dude. It’s basketball.
Dude. It's Anthony Davis. The supposed once in a generation type player.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:35 am to Chad504boy
The level of freak out over this tweet is kind of funny. This team is still trying to mentally recover from the Cousins injury, and it will not happen overnight. I'd much rather this attitude than the guys getting into this downward spiral with every mounting loss post Boogie.
This feels like Gentry trying to keep our guys' heads up, and I have no problem with that.
This feels like Gentry trying to keep our guys' heads up, and I have no problem with that.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 9:36 am
Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:44 am to NOFOX
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As of now, it appears this will be Gentry's last season with the team unless Boogie demands he stay. I know there is a narrative that the coaches are not to blame and the effort issue is all on the players, but it is on both the players, the coaches, and the GM.
My take on this is that the right coach could help the effort, but unless he's a top 5 coach he's likely to be deficient in other areas that Gentry and/or his assistants are strong in. Monty made a comment about Chris Paul wanting help along the lines of "when you make that much money you are the help." AD probably could use some of that real talk instead of Gentry coddling him saying Utah was just lucky. But Monty was reportedly not listening to his assistants and refused to replace his lead assistant for over a year. So Monty's motivational skill comes with the price of not being able to add a Finch or Erman to cover tactical weak spots leading to the maddening rotations and schemes that had most of the board calling for him to be fired.
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Gentry has the rest of the season to turn it around and adjust to the loss of Boogie, but unless there is a real change in level of play, I think he is gone.
I'm not attached to Gentry, I just don't want change for the sake of change because that isn't necessarily an upgrade. Also, do you think they'd let Demps pick another coach or do you think Gentry getting fired means Demps would be gone too?
Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:51 am to TigerinATL
I think if one goes they both go.
Which is the perfect segue into the Coach Cal era...
Which is the perfect segue into the Coach Cal era...
Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:52 am to ShamelessPel
It’s not a freak out. It’s a gradual erosion of hope that this team will figure things out. I’m still foolishly and optimistically holding out hope but hearing this tweet doesn’t give me a ton of confidence
Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:57 am to DeionDeion
George Karl said the same thing, and many coaches have repeated it throughout the years. In an NBA season, there are 5-10 games you just can't miss and will win regardless of tactics. And 5-10 where you run into a hot opponent and can't win no matter what you do.
The Pels caught the Magic at the wrong time a few months ago, and the same happened with the Jazz, as they might be playing the best basketball of any team on the planet in this current stretch
The Pels caught the Magic at the wrong time a few months ago, and the same happened with the Jazz, as they might be playing the best basketball of any team on the planet in this current stretch
Posted on 2/6/18 at 10:12 am to Crewz
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The Pels caught the Magic at the wrong time a few months ago, and the same happened with the Jazz, as they might be playing the best basketball of any team on the planet in this current stretch
Well someone is going to beat them. They aren't invincible.
You can either be a pussy and accept defeat, or man up and if you go down, you at least go down doing everything you could. They did not go down swinging last night. They were pussy's.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 10:13 am to TigerinATL
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My take on this is that the right coach could help the effort, but unless he's a top 5 coach he's likely to be deficient in other areas that Gentry and/or his assistants are strong in.
I get that a new coach very well might not fix the issues or might cause worse problems in other areas. However, we are on the clock. We have very limited ability to change the roster. So we can hope for a healthy roster and that the talent overcomes these issues enough to be better than a 5th seed or we can make a change in coaching and see if that unlocks the potential of the team.
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I'm not attached to Gentry, I just don't want change for the sake of change because that isn't necessarily an upgrade.
I am of the mindset that after a certain period of time you are what your record says you are. I do not want change for the sake of change. I want change because this team is not producing under Gentry on a consistent basis over multiple years and we are running out of time.
If we weren't on an AD leaving countdown, Gentry might have more leeway with the Boogie/Solo injuries and get another year, but we need to win. The Warriors fired Jackson. The Cavs fired Blatt. I think the odds of this team taking the next step while keeping things the same are increasingly slim. So even if a new coach is not an upgrade, I think you end up in the same place. We have already upgraded the assistants and the roster is mostly set.
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Also, do you think they'd let Demps pick another coach or do you think Gentry getting fired means Demps would be gone too?
I do think they would let Dell (with Ferry) select coaches for interviews. I think the hiring would be a group discussion and Dell himself would not have autonomy, but I do not think Dell's and Gentry's fates are necessarily one and the same. I think Dell will get another year unless they decide on a coach/GM situation. Again unless something changes, I do not think the team will pick up Gentry's option for next year.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 10:15 am
Posted on 2/6/18 at 10:19 am to TeddyPadillac
But, when we beat teams are THEY pussy's or did we just play well?
This is what always confuses me about fans. It's like only one team exists and if your team won they earned it and are good. But if your team lost, its because your team sucks or has something wrong with it or lost the game.
The Pels got spanked last night by a team who is playing better ball right now. Just like we were playing better ball than OKC when we caught them on a tired night in a bad stretch.
This is what always confuses me about fans. It's like only one team exists and if your team won they earned it and are good. But if your team lost, its because your team sucks or has something wrong with it or lost the game.
The Pels got spanked last night by a team who is playing better ball right now. Just like we were playing better ball than OKC when we caught them on a tired night in a bad stretch.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 10:23 am to Crewz
Making excuses as to why you lost are for losers. Look in the mirror if you want to know why you lost. If you can't accept that, then you'll continue to be a loser, which is exactly what our coach is, and has proven to be, and had proven in his previous 10+ years of coaching before he came here.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 10:24 am
Posted on 2/6/18 at 10:25 am to Crewz
well coached teams play hard 98% of the times they take the floor.
this team did not play hard last night and we've seen it all year long.
the excuses you make for this team cause you are friendly with some of the staff is exhausting.
this team did not play hard last night and we've seen it all year long.
the excuses you make for this team cause you are friendly with some of the staff is exhausting.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 10:37 am to Chad504boy
You know me so well.
I am considered one of the most pessimistic Pels voices BY A MILE. And now I accused of sucking up to the team. Thats rich.
The "play hard" thing is often the fans seeing what they want. When a team is losing, they aren't playing hard. Winning? They ARE playing hard.
The fact is that its about the same effort, give or take 2-3 percent, on any given night. Some nights, the other team is just better than you. Did the Thunder not "play hard" against us? I bet you would say they did, but THEIR fan base would say they didn't.
Its just something little minds use to explain to themselves why a team won or lost. Makes a much more complex thing, with literally thousands of variables, very simple for a little mind.
I am considered one of the most pessimistic Pels voices BY A MILE. And now I accused of sucking up to the team. Thats rich.
The "play hard" thing is often the fans seeing what they want. When a team is losing, they aren't playing hard. Winning? They ARE playing hard.
The fact is that its about the same effort, give or take 2-3 percent, on any given night. Some nights, the other team is just better than you. Did the Thunder not "play hard" against us? I bet you would say they did, but THEIR fan base would say they didn't.
Its just something little minds use to explain to themselves why a team won or lost. Makes a much more complex thing, with literally thousands of variables, very simple for a little mind.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 10:42 am to Crewz
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And now I accused of sucking up to the team.
i've been noticing you kissing staff arse all year.
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The fact is that its about the same effort,
or its not. half the game, they had nobody by rebounds, players left standing wide open whose drained 4 3's already. it was a complete lethargic game much of the time.
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Its just something little minds use to explain to themselves why a team won or lost. Makes a much more complex thing, with literally thousands of variables, very simple for a little mind.
Ah, its so complicated that you can't explain it so everyone can look at me and say how brilliant i am by just saying its so complicated.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 10:42 am to Crewz
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Did the Thunder not "play hard" against us?
No, they didn't. I almost made a comment in the game thread that they looked like we looked when we gave away games, but I didn't want to jinx it. They had a legit rest excuse though with that being like their 5th game in 7 nights.
If AD is this worn out they need to pick a game that maximizes his rest and sit him. Just take the L and get Diallo some more burn.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 10:45 am
Posted on 2/6/18 at 10:59 am to Crewz
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The "play hard" thing is often the fans seeing what they want. When a team is losing, they aren't playing hard. Winning? They ARE playing hard
An opponent starting 10 of 11 from 3 is going to be deflating for any team. The Jazz beat us into submission. They were knocking down shots when we defended well and when we defended poorly. They straight up played better.
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The fact is that its about the same effort, give or take 2-3 percent, on any given night. Some nights, the other team is just better than you.
Its just something little minds use to explain to themselves why a team won or lost.
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This isn't a bad loss. The Bulls are a better team. The Pels just aren't good. Chicago is.
Effort is a skill. They are better
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I don't care if they make shots or miss them. Don't even really care if they win or lose. I wanna see effort and passion. That's all. It comes and goes with these guys. And THATS why I can't stand this team.
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Sure, you can stand back from afar and say, "They played two straight OT games. They we're tired. We should be happy with 2-1." ETC Go back and WATCH those final two minutes. The lack if passion. Of effort. Watch them in the final huddle before coming out. No passion. No desire.
ETA - My reaction earlier in this thread was not because I thought Gentry was particularly bad in this game, but more so how well prepared Snyder's teams always are. They were red hot last night, but they also executed the entire game and put us away whenever we started to make runs.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 11:09 am
Posted on 2/6/18 at 10:59 am to TigerinATL
Offtopic, but I wonder would Utah trade Rubio or Hood.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 11:00 am to macatak911
I've been pretty much there all year. They were finally starting to pull me back in and then Boogie got hurt. Now we are destined for a first round exit but Boogies injury will allow Demps and Gentry to retain their jobs. I've just reached a point of apathy with this team. They'll never achieve anything until Benson actually shows he's willing to make changes with the team.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 11:02 am to Crewz
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Crewz
Dude come on. FIRE GENTRY! THIS TEAM IS COMPOSED OF LOSERS! WE DON'T EVEN CARE! THIS SEASON IS OVER! YOU SHOULDN'T WATCH ANOTHER GAME!
Get your mind right man. You're out of control lately with these takes.
Posted on 2/6/18 at 11:08 am to TigerinATL
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And just when people think they're done the Pels are going to suck us back in by rattling off a few unexpected wins in a row. PTAO
I don’t even pretend anymore. I have accepted my fate as a Pels fan and equate it to being a Saints fan pre 2009.
I’m going to buy my shitty tickets every year and hope that things go well. When we look good and a debilitating injury happens, I will just think about how great we are gonna be next year. Next year comes and I’m let down and already thinking about how great we will be the following year.
It is what it is.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 11:09 am
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