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Mystictiger
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2015
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re: I’m done.
I’m not done with this team, but barring any major roster changes (or Solo comes back at a very high level, probably not), this team isn’t making the playoffs. It’s a fricking shame because of the injury to Cousins but it is what it is.


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corndeaux
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Sep 2009
8552 posts

re: I’m done.
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The Pels got spanked last night by a team who is playing better ball right now


yup. loss sucks, but Utah has been incredible since Gobert came back. 7-2 over their last 9 w/ a +11 Net Rating...4th best offense, 3rd best defense over this small stretch

their last 4:

beat GS by 30, PHX by 30, SAS by 9 on the road and the Pels by 25 dropping 129, 129, 120, 133 in those 4 games.

doesn't excuse the Pels from being largely uncompetitive, aside from absurd Rondo shooting. but i think we can say Utah is very hot right now and the Pels could have played better (and probably still lost anyway) w/o knighting for coaches or players or having fan cards questioned


Chad504boy
USA Fan
Member since Feb 2005
120376 posts

re: I’m done.
Pels need to do anything possible to set up 2019 for a best case scenario run and contention and assume we'll be able to resign Cousins.

IMO, that means upgrading coaching.


TeddyPadillac
LSU Fan
Member since Dec 2010
10376 posts

re: I’m done.
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The "play hard" thing is often the fans seeing what they want. When a team is losing, they aren't playing hard. Winning? They ARE playing hard.



You do know that you can play hard and lose right? it happens a lot. It didn't happen last night.

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Some nights, the other team is just better than you.


is what a loser says. I know it's a long season. You're not going to go 82-0. You'll lose a lot of games where you look like crap. Maybe it's common place for nba losers to accept defeat that way and move on. I know you can't sulk over every loss b/c it's a long season, and you may make whatever excuse you need to move on, but there's nothing wrong with saying they played well, and we played like shite and it's unacceptable.



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TigerinATL
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Feb 2005
47187 posts

re: I’m done.
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that means upgrading coaching.


That's the tricky part though. Every time I try to think about a replacement Cal always ends up as the most likely candidate. I don't see them hiring someone unproven in the NBA either from the pros or college. The only retread I want is JVG but like last time he'd want more control than Demps would give up.

Would Cal come as just the coach? Could Demps going crazy for UK players this year be about offering an olive branch to make Cal feel that maybe he could work here with Demps as the GM?


GCTiger11
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Jan 2012
35939 posts

re: I’m done.
I don’t think this is the game I’m going to lose my head over

Utah is playing out of their minds


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Chad504boy
USA Fan
Member since Feb 2005
120376 posts

re: I’m done.
just saying, steve kerr is working with bob myers so why couldn't' jvg work with demps?


TigerinATL
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Feb 2005
47187 posts

re: I’m done.
They had that choice last time and chose the candidate that was less threatening to Demps' power. JVG may not flat out demand power, but he seems like he'd be a pain in the arse if you made moves he didn't agree with. Kind of like the shitshow with Thibs in Chicago.


NOFOX
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
5468 posts

re: I’m done.
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They had that choice last time and chose the candidate that was less threatening to Demps' power. JVG may not flat out demand power, but he seems like he'd be a pain in the arse if you made moves he didn't agree with. Kind of like the shitshow with Thibs in Chicago.


I think Demps will be more accomodating in the sense that he maybe has one year. He is the one who will determine Gentry's fate. Unless we totally collapse, miss the payoffs badly, and they need a scapegoat, he can probably convince ownership to stick with Gentry.

But will Demps with his job firmly on the line believe in Gentry enough as the coach to convince ownership to stick with him and pick up the option if there is a over the tax roster and top-4 seed/2nd round expectations? Or will he bank his job on another coach? Tough decision.


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brmark70816
LSU Fan
Beaumont, TX
Member since Feb 2011
4024 posts

re: I’m done.
I just don't see where the money comes from, when people talk about this team. This is supposed to be a small market, conservative team that should be making cost savvy moves. To hire Calipari would take more than 10M a year, making him a top 3 paid coach. To resign Cousins, will take over 150M and the team will start paying the tax. To add anything after that will be doubly expensive. We keep looking for all these short cuts and answers, when we should have just been smart from the start and played the long game..


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VOR
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re: I’m done.
The Jazz are very good, and they’ve been hot as a firecracker lately
But the Pels seem to lack energy and a sense of urgency at exactly the wrong times.

A lot of that is on the players, I would think.

Sad


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VOR
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
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Member since Apr 2009
51133 posts

re: I’m done.
I waited too long for an NBA team and suffered through the formative years of this franchise. I’m not ready to pack it in quite yet, but I understand the temptation,


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The Pirate King
Texas Tech Fan
Pangu
Member since May 2014
17957 posts

re: I’m done.
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This is all in the coaching staff imo


No shit, al was a terrible hire and will continue to be a shitty coach until the day he is fired.


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corndeaux
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Sep 2009
8552 posts

re: I’m done.
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IMO, that means upgrading coaching.


any coaching moves need to be run by Davis and Cousins, which has positives and negatives.

but i just dont think this will be the panacea everyone wants it to be. it's like a draft pick- the unknown is enticing. most of those guys dont become franchise players. a new coach MAY be the next Brad Stevens, but (especially given how they ran the last coaching search) he is much more likely to be the next Earl Watson or Scott Brooks. not a reason to keep the current staff if they believe there is someone better, but you better be sure and go get that guy.

Gentry isn't particularly good. the Pels have plenty of frustrating moments and trends, for which he deserves some criticism. but i have a hard time figuring out the "awful" coaching this season. chances are, a new Pels coach will still take heat online after every loss for effort or bad ATO or something else b/c people feel feelings after losses. even Pop takes heat from Spurs fans
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ShamelessPel
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
8065 posts
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re: I’m done.
My confusion comes in the fact that everyone that hates Gentry and co. fail to admit that before Cousins injury this team appeared to be turning a real corner. That injury has raised many questions, and Gentry SHOULD be one of those questions. Instead, everyone is just burning him at the stake like that stretch of games never happened.


NOFOX
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
5468 posts

re: I’m done.
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My confusion comes in the fact that everyone that hates Gentry and co. fail to admit that before Cousins injury this team appeared to be turning a real corner. That injury has raised many questions, and Gentry SHOULD be one of those questions. Instead, everyone is just burning him at the stake like that stretch of games never happened.



I think part of the issue is that this team was only able to accomplish that with two top 10 talents and Jrue playing 35+ minutes a night at a top 5 pace which was unsustainable. And even then most of the games were close and we were losing games we should not have (and to be fair winning some we should not have also). Regardless of whether that is roster construction or a coaching problem, it is a problem.

There is not much you can do to progress the roster construction side of things at this point. So the question becomes, do you believe that Gentry and staff deserve another shot with a hopefully healthyish Hill/Cousins plus the addition of Mirotic or do you consider a coaching change to possibly unlock the roster's potential?

If you are Dell and your job is on the line to make a serious run towrds the 2019 playoffs with 1st round home court an expectation which gamble do you take?

ETA - this is assuming that firing Gentry would not cause Boogie to leave or AD become disillusioned.
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TeddyPadillac
LSU Fan
Member since Dec 2010
10376 posts

re: I’m done.
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My confusion comes in the fact that everyone that hates Gentry and co. fail to admit that before Cousins injury this team appeared to be turning a real corner. That injury has raised many questions, and Gentry SHOULD be one of those questions. Instead, everyone is just burning him at the stake like that stretch of games never happened.



What about earlier in the season when the team had won 8 of 11, beating OKC and the Spurs, only to turn around and lose 8 of the next 11, then they come out of that bad stretch and win 3 in a row on the road against crappy teams, and come home to get their arse whipped by Dallas and the Knicks.

Yes the team was looking good, as it should considering it has 2 top 10-15 players in the league. It's not often a team with 2 All-NBA type players aren't good, regardless of the coach.

We've seen the same crap since he's been here, we just had the talent to mask it more this year for some stretches. If Gentry was the coach for the Lakers, they'd be the worst team in the league. if he was for the Heat, they'd be no where near the playoff picture. Take either of those two coaches and put them on the Pels, and we are a 6 seed at worst, even after the injury.


ShamelessPel
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
8065 posts
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re: I’m done.
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There is not much you can do to progress the roster construction side of things at this point. So the question becomes, do you believe that Gentry and staff deserve another shot with a hopefully healthyish Hill/Cousins plus the addition of Mirotic or do you consider a coaching change to possibly unlock the roster's potential?


See that's a good question and actual critical thinking. That sample size WAS small with relatively good health, but you don't just add superstars and hit the ground running typically. Look at Miami their first season with the big 3. We were starting to become cohesive around that exact same timeframe that they were turning the corner. People were bitching non stop about Spoelstra too.

It just sucks, and Gentry does do some noticeably dumb things. I don't know why you sign Okafor to play Diallo on Rudy Gobert for instance. But our system was starting to come together, and Jrue and Moore were having CAREER years. People focus on all the bad and can't see any of the good.


corndeaux
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Sep 2009
8552 posts

re: I’m done.
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accomplish that with two top 10 talents and Jrue playing 35+ minutes a night at a top 5 pace which was unsustainable.


that's an ownership/franchise problem. if the message is that Gentry needs to make the playoffs to keep his job, then he's going to ride his thin roster,if they let him, to stay employed

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do you consider a coaching change to possibly unlock the roster's potential? 


it looked like they had unlocked the potential until Cousins went down.

I get the unsustainable critique. but it can't go both ways- either the roster is good enough to hit 50 wins/top 4 seed by limiting Davis/Cousins to more modern mp or it was a flawed, top heavy roster propped up by two guys having all NBA seasons


ShamelessPel
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
8065 posts
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re: I’m done.
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beating OKC and the Spurs


Beating a struggling OKC team (ironically similar to our situation to start the season) and a Kawhi-less Spurs vs. beating Boston on the road and a Rockets team with CP3, Harden, and Capela. They're not even comparable.


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