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How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
Posted on 9/10/20 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 9/10/20 at 4:57 pm
Fun Bunch made a thread topic asking for offerings on how to improve the team without making any trades.
In this thread i ask : What could/should we fetch by selling on ALL players that have any trade value whom we are pretty sure aren't on the team by the time we're competing?
Could be a retool whilst maintaining future flexibility, or a full-on rebuild if you so desire.
Go big or go home! Rip the band-aid, ditch anything not bolted down and see what we can get ferit!
Plausibility is preferred, if possible, but certainly not required.
I'll start with an almost certainly implausible trade idea, an ever-elusive 4 team-er(lol). Though one maybe not entirely devoid logic; is this the logic of an imbecile? You decide!
Milwaukee IN : Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose, Nicolo Melli
Detroit IN : Andrew Wiggins, Eric Bledsoe, Lonzo Ball, GSW's #2 pick
Golden State IN : Jrue Holiday, J.J. Redick, NOP #13
New Orleans IN : Draymond Green, Brook Lopez, George Hill
Milwaukee WHY? : Lopez is awesome, but their offense isn't cutting it. Griffin and Rose add needed playmaking, and Giannis gets a star buddy. Defense takes a hit but retain good team defensive ability.
Detroit WHY? : Its time to commit fully to a rebuild, and this return is pretty solid. Get a stop-gap/steward PG in Bledsoe, a controlled flyer on Lonzo, Wiggins is meh but they might like him or improve his trade value (gotta pay somebody) + a #2 for the trouble
Golden State WHY? : Get 3rd lethal shooter back after Durant's departure(imagine Curry and JJ off the ball and from off-ball screens..on opposite sides of the court!). Yes they lose a HOF defender in Dray and will miss his playmaking as a big, but Jrue is possible HOF level in his own right. Think Jrue in the P.J. Tucker role but still being a much better scorer than PJ or Dray, while still being able to free up curry for off ball and split ball handling duties sometimes. They can have more cost controlled bigs as the league gets smaller, more run for Eric Paschall and other young bigs(Looney,Marquese Chriss, Smailagic), + the #13 pick for a smart drafting team
UPVOTE for: "This is Fun!"
DOWNVOTE for: "Can It, Noob!"
Now!! Fill my head with dreams! GO.
In this thread i ask : What could/should we fetch by selling on ALL players that have any trade value whom we are pretty sure aren't on the team by the time we're competing?
Could be a retool whilst maintaining future flexibility, or a full-on rebuild if you so desire.
Go big or go home! Rip the band-aid, ditch anything not bolted down and see what we can get ferit!
Plausibility is preferred, if possible, but certainly not required.
I'll start with an almost certainly implausible trade idea, an ever-elusive 4 team-er(lol). Though one maybe not entirely devoid logic; is this the logic of an imbecile? You decide!
Milwaukee IN : Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose, Nicolo Melli
Detroit IN : Andrew Wiggins, Eric Bledsoe, Lonzo Ball, GSW's #2 pick
Golden State IN : Jrue Holiday, J.J. Redick, NOP #13
New Orleans IN : Draymond Green, Brook Lopez, George Hill
Milwaukee WHY? : Lopez is awesome, but their offense isn't cutting it. Griffin and Rose add needed playmaking, and Giannis gets a star buddy. Defense takes a hit but retain good team defensive ability.
Detroit WHY? : Its time to commit fully to a rebuild, and this return is pretty solid. Get a stop-gap/steward PG in Bledsoe, a controlled flyer on Lonzo, Wiggins is meh but they might like him or improve his trade value (gotta pay somebody) + a #2 for the trouble
Golden State WHY? : Get 3rd lethal shooter back after Durant's departure(imagine Curry and JJ off the ball and from off-ball screens..on opposite sides of the court!). Yes they lose a HOF defender in Dray and will miss his playmaking as a big, but Jrue is possible HOF level in his own right. Think Jrue in the P.J. Tucker role but still being a much better scorer than PJ or Dray, while still being able to free up curry for off ball and split ball handling duties sometimes. They can have more cost controlled bigs as the league gets smaller, more run for Eric Paschall and other young bigs(Looney,Marquese Chriss, Smailagic), + the #13 pick for a smart drafting team
UPVOTE for: "This is Fun!"
DOWNVOTE for: "Can It, Noob!"
Now!! Fill my head with dreams! GO.
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Posted on 9/10/20 at 5:08 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
How does the roster improve with no major trades?
This is the link for the older topic. May its fire be re-stoked as well!
P.S. I forgot to say Pels do the trade to remain competitive and have the perfect teachers for our young guys, Dray for Zion, Lopez for Jaxson, Hill for Nickeil, while still allowing them to get some run and be the future, not the now.
P.P.S. I was thinkin it'd be cool to say what you'd do in Free Agency after trading it all or none of it.
For instance gimme Freddie Van Vleet!
This is the link for the older topic. May its fire be re-stoked as well!
P.S. I forgot to say Pels do the trade to remain competitive and have the perfect teachers for our young guys, Dray for Zion, Lopez for Jaxson, Hill for Nickeil, while still allowing them to get some run and be the future, not the now.
P.P.S. I was thinkin it'd be cool to say what you'd do in Free Agency after trading it all or none of it.
For instance gimme Freddie Van Vleet!
This post was edited on 9/10/20 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 9/10/20 at 5:20 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
Damn, Detroit would love that trade. Total rebuild in one trade. Two picks in the top 7. They can extend Wood and still have a max slot. Wiggins will be an all star in the East. Plus they are dying to dump Griffin. They would jump all over that deal..
This post was edited on 9/10/20 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 9/10/20 at 5:44 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
I’ve been waiting for this one. Kudos. 
Also, frick that first trade.
Also, frick that first trade.
This post was edited on 9/10/20 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 9/10/20 at 5:57 pm to brmark70816
If you say looking to dump Griffin as in, accept little to no return or actual negative value, then I'm not ashamed to say i'd love Griffin for this team if you could shed salary by getting value for Jrue and Zo elsewhere. Sign Fred V.V. thatsawrap
Any one else want Blake on the cheap? Hope you're right!
Any one else want Blake on the cheap? Hope you're right!
Posted on 9/10/20 at 5:58 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
That’s a pretty bad trade for us..
Posted on 9/10/20 at 6:08 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
Pels out: Jrue Holiday
Pels in: Levert, Nic Claxton, Garret Temple, 1st
Rehab Levert into a valuable 2021 offseason asset: Vinson fixes his perimeter shot, Nelson keeps him healthy.
Get a good 2021 draft pick with option to package Levert for a star.
Pels in: Levert, Nic Claxton, Garret Temple, 1st
Rehab Levert into a valuable 2021 offseason asset: Vinson fixes his perimeter shot, Nelson keeps him healthy.
Get a good 2021 draft pick with option to package Levert for a star.
Posted on 9/10/20 at 6:31 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
Just want to say i'm not advocating for a fire-sale.
Just as no team is going to refuse to hear trade pitches, no team is going to say "lets trade everyone because just lets". It pains me to even think the words "trade" and "Jrue" in the same sentence, let alone type it or say it aloud, for fear of being a traitor, or scorning our beloved, or of being physically accosted.
Lemme have it for the silly proposal (rightfully so),
but don't let this be just another bad trade idea post, i need yall to play this game too. Sherley , one among us could trade all the stuffs, for better stuffs, if necessary (for whatever reason..), and if forced (by mystery anarchists). YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. THE CLOCK.STARTS.>NOW
Just as no team is going to refuse to hear trade pitches, no team is going to say "lets trade everyone because just lets". It pains me to even think the words "trade" and "Jrue" in the same sentence, let alone type it or say it aloud, for fear of being a traitor, or scorning our beloved, or of being physically accosted.
Lemme have it for the silly proposal (rightfully so),
but don't let this be just another bad trade idea post, i need yall to play this game too. Sherley , one among us could trade all the stuffs, for better stuffs, if necessary (for whatever reason..), and if forced (by mystery anarchists). YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. THE CLOCK.STARTS.>NOW
Posted on 9/10/20 at 7:27 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
If the goal is to just be better this season then, this 3 way trade would be my best attempt at a “realistic” trade:
Pels: Al Horford and CJ McCollum
Blazers: Jrue Holiday and Darius Miller
Sixers: JJ Redick
Pels: Al Horford and CJ McCollum
Blazers: Jrue Holiday and Darius Miller
Sixers: JJ Redick
Posted on 9/10/20 at 7:38 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
Bruh, Pels send out Jrue, JJ, Lonzo, Melli AND #13, and the best thing they get out of it is Draymond fricking Green?
Are you mentally handicapped or something? That trade is absolutely horrid
Are you mentally handicapped or something? That trade is absolutely horrid
Posted on 9/10/20 at 7:46 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
would be my best attempt at a “realistic” trade:
How many 1sts is Philly giving us for giving them JJ for one of the worst contracts in the league that Griffin already decided he didn't want when he had a chance to offer it Horford himself?
Posted on 9/10/20 at 8:08 pm to TigerinATL
I figured picks would be involved, but I wouldn’t speculate on how many.
The contract is now a year shorter and not as bad. 3 years 69 mil guaranteed isn’t the worst contract in the league. It might be one of the worst values because he doesn’t fit with Embiid, but as a center, it’s not bad value IMO.
I know it’s been argued against, but I would much prefer 3 years 69 mill guaranteed for Horford over 3 years 94.5 mill for Wiggins, for this team.
The contract is now a year shorter and not as bad. 3 years 69 mil guaranteed isn’t the worst contract in the league. It might be one of the worst values because he doesn’t fit with Embiid, but as a center, it’s not bad value IMO.
I know it’s been argued against, but I would much prefer 3 years 69 mill guaranteed for Horford over 3 years 94.5 mill for Wiggins, for this team.
Posted on 9/10/20 at 8:14 pm to Epic Cajun
I can’t think of many worse.
Wiggins is a decade younger, averaged double the points and almost as many rebounds.
Tobias Harris’s contract is pretty terrible too.
Wiggins is a decade younger, averaged double the points and almost as many rebounds.
Tobias Harris’s contract is pretty terrible too.
Posted on 9/10/20 at 8:28 pm to Fun Bunch
And I'm not saying Griff would absolutely say no, things may have changed, but it was pretty evident at the time we bowed out early on Horford not over money but years. That 4th year that Horford has and guys like Kevin Love have must conflict with other future plans Griff had in mind that would require cap space.
This post was edited on 9/10/20 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 9/10/20 at 8:32 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
Wiggins is a decade younger, averaged double the points and almost as many rebounds.
He also has a weak attitude, and is a chucker. If we bring in another player that is going to shoot the ball 15+ times a game, that player need to be a facilitator as well.
IMO, the best way to build a team around Zion and BI is to have a defensive big that can stretch out the defense, a facilitator that can also shoot/score, and a defensive wing/guard that can shoot. With that proposed trade, you get two of those pieces and the third piece is already on the roster (Lonzo), while only giving up Jrue and JJ (two players on the last year of their deals). Yes, McCollum and Horford have large salaries, and that is a drawback, but IMO that deal would make the team much better currently, without sacrificing any of our future assets.
I mean I doubt they do something like that, but nothing that is proposed in these threads is going to actually happen
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:59 am to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
If the Bucks made that deal, Giannis demands a trade immediately. That is an ATROCIOUS trade for them.
They lose three positive assets in Lopez, Bledsoe and Hill and gain two negative assets in Rose and Griffin and also get Melli, who is a 13th-14th rotation player for them.
Giannis would turn down the supermax over that. Seriously.
Also sucks for us, but not nearly as much as it sucks for Milwaukee.
Great deal for Detroit and GSW though.
They lose three positive assets in Lopez, Bledsoe and Hill and gain two negative assets in Rose and Griffin and also get Melli, who is a 13th-14th rotation player for them.
Giannis would turn down the supermax over that. Seriously.
Also sucks for us, but not nearly as much as it sucks for Milwaukee.
Great deal for Detroit and GSW though.
This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 1:03 am
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:52 am to RUFshreve
Sign and trade for Baynes
Posted on 9/11/20 at 1:59 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
re: Soggymoss -
re: LucaBrasi318 -
Thanks for letting me down easy there, sport
re: RUFshreve -
Giannis will probably re-sign in some capacity, but it could only be a 2 year, or he could get disgruntled after a year or two anyway. This is obviously hard decision to trade these good roll players, but it is perhaps their only path to another star. Giannis and Middleton make ALOT of money. Not saying my idea is any good. They might be safer running it back, but this is a weird scenario where that could be equally as risky in terms of losing their guy.
re: Epic Cajun -
I like where your head is at, chief; trying to solve the right problems! So what if we're off on, or people disagree with our player valuations? I come here sometimes to get some sense of those things, and see some heads put together - at least now i feel like someone else in the thread can see the problems. And believe me, i'm not claiming to know how to fix them. But i'm someone who, if i see it, i'm naturally going to try to fix it, for fun at least. I figure you might be the same. Thanks for playing. Please go again!
quote:Darn, bro.. well i did say "lemme have it"
Are you mentally handicapped or something? That trade is absolutely horrid
re: LucaBrasi318 -
quote:
That’s a pretty bad trade for us..
Thanks for letting me down easy there, sport
re: RUFshreve -
quote:
that is an ATROCIOUS trade for them.
They lose three positive assets in Lopez, Bledsoe and Hill and gain two negative assets
Giannis will probably re-sign in some capacity, but it could only be a 2 year, or he could get disgruntled after a year or two anyway. This is obviously hard decision to trade these good roll players, but it is perhaps their only path to another star. Giannis and Middleton make ALOT of money. Not saying my idea is any good. They might be safer running it back, but this is a weird scenario where that could be equally as risky in terms of losing their guy.
re: Epic Cajun -
quote:
IMO, the best way to build a team around Zion and BI is to have a defensive big that can stretch out the defense, a facilitator that can also shoot/score, and a defensive wing/guard that can shoot...giving up Jrue and JJ (two players on the last year of their deals). Yes, McCollum and Horford have large salaries, and that is a drawback, but IMO that deal would make the team much better currently, without sacrificing any of our future assets...nothing that is proposed in these threads is going to actually happen
I like where your head is at, chief; trying to solve the right problems! So what if we're off on, or people disagree with our player valuations? I come here sometimes to get some sense of those things, and see some heads put together - at least now i feel like someone else in the thread can see the problems. And believe me, i'm not claiming to know how to fix them. But i'm someone who, if i see it, i'm naturally going to try to fix it, for fun at least. I figure you might be the same. Thanks for playing. Please go again!
Posted on 9/11/20 at 2:24 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
quote:
NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
nice alter
Posted on 9/11/20 at 2:48 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
I'm giving it another go, for funsies. I've taken your yellings into consideration. I've personified my head's version of the angry boo-ing crowd forming here- "We like PICKS!" it says. "YOUNG player returns only!" it says.
So i will try to honor these wishes, but i cannot lie- in my heart i know, that what this mob needs, but knows not that it wants, is an even less likely FIVE team trade!
Milwaukee IN : Chris Paul, Derrick Rose
Oklahoma City IN : D.J. Wilson or Donte Divincenzo(or both idgaf), #13 pick
Detroit Pistons IN : Andrew Wiggins, Eric Bledsoe, Lonzo Ball
New Orleans IN : Blake Griffin, Eric Paschall, Jordan Poole, Frank Mason III, #2 Pick
Golden State IN : Jrue Holiday
Ok before anyone calls me inbred because i was supposed to know a team deserves an extra 2 2nds, or some cash considerations, or a trivial player needs added- just know this trade, like the other, is just the bones of an idea for some internet workshopping. If it would look better with some alteration or more balancing, then by all means, please change it. If you're thinking of other ways to get some value out of our assets, please post those too!
Edit:
UPVOTE for: " (:/) Thats more like it..i suppose."
DOWNVOTE for: "OMG again with this s#*!, honestly!"
So i will try to honor these wishes, but i cannot lie- in my heart i know, that what this mob needs, but knows not that it wants, is an even less likely FIVE team trade!
Milwaukee IN : Chris Paul, Derrick Rose
Oklahoma City IN : D.J. Wilson or Donte Divincenzo(or both idgaf), #13 pick
Detroit Pistons IN : Andrew Wiggins, Eric Bledsoe, Lonzo Ball
New Orleans IN : Blake Griffin, Eric Paschall, Jordan Poole, Frank Mason III, #2 Pick
Golden State IN : Jrue Holiday
Ok before anyone calls me inbred because i was supposed to know a team deserves an extra 2 2nds, or some cash considerations, or a trivial player needs added- just know this trade, like the other, is just the bones of an idea for some internet workshopping. If it would look better with some alteration or more balancing, then by all means, please change it. If you're thinking of other ways to get some value out of our assets, please post those too!
Edit:
UPVOTE for: " (:/) Thats more like it..i suppose."
DOWNVOTE for: "OMG again with this s#*!, honestly!"
This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 4:06 pm
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