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Dantheman504
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
As to why I suggested we trade Lonzo for #7 and a solid distributor in Rose.

What we really need is a banger down low, a distributor, 3&D SF, and a catch n shoot SG.

We can definitely hammer out all of those needs with Jrue, Lonzo, JJ, + a pick or 2.

We play a good bit of iso with BI and Zion so id rather a PG who can just space the floor, play D, and be a vocal leader. Chris paul/ rondo type like you said.

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NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
I mean, theres almost no way we're gonna get a guard with a bball IQ like Chris Paul's or Rondo's on offense, but we just need whoever we get to be able to play team defense like those guys do, even though they're not world-beaters defensively.

Rondo isn't even a pure example really, because he doesn't have to be honored as a scoring threat until he is proving he does in real time, much like Lonzo. But unlike Lonzo, he's never in too deep on a decision, because he's savvy enough to get himself out, or get to his spot, or get someone the ball after drawing the attention. He can make you pay once he has that attention. Lonzo really can't.

So like you said, needs to be a credible scorer and defender, but its much more important that the scoring ability is multi-faceted, than their defense being amazing or being elite at just one skill on offense like shooting. Otherwise, we are going to continue to live and die by the 3 ball, and be playing catch up in a lot of games.


Dantheman504
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
Well Jrue also plays a big role in that. He isn't exactly the perfect definition of a "shooting guard" or a point guard for that matter. The Pelicans have struggled to put a full rotation of quality players on the court for almost 2 decades now. I think if we add a PG with good/elite passing, vision, and leadership then we can afford 1 or 2 shooting guards that can simply shoot. In my opinion a 3&D SF is more important than a defensive SG for the simple fact that most defensive SFs can guard shooting guards and most teams that beat us are through their SF.


Dantheman504
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
Jrue has been asked to play this PG/SG/SF hybrid almost his whole career here. I'd really like to see his potential with a true PG controlling the back court. Beyond that if we replace him it needs to be for multiple players that each highlight one of his skill sets. If we trade him get 1 shooter for him and 1 true defensive player. Also we haven't had a dominant center in a long arse time so you can only ask your guards to do so much...


NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
re: Dantheman504 :
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He isn't exactly the perfect definition of a "shooting guard" or a point guard...Jrue has been asked to play this PG/SG/SF hybrid
It doesn't matter how people define anyone's game or position, what matters is how the opposition has to react, or how, for whatever reasons (perceptions, gravity etc.)they do react. Jrue has it in all the right places trust me, that's why he is so valuable you can switch him on to anyone on offense or defense and he's never out to dry.

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if we replace him it needs to be for multiple players that each highlight one of his skill sets. If we trade him get 1 shooter for him and 1 true defensive player.
A jack of all trades is worth way more than the sum of its parts. A pure shooter-only is someone any team should round out their bench with, and who may even be a good role player/bench player on a competing teams playoff run,
but thats usually on teams that have a ball handler with some serious gravity and know-how, like a Harden, Lebron, Luka, CP3, Kyrie type. But if thats all you desire be happy as hell because we've got JJ REDICK! (god i love jj, still cant believe we got him, wonder if he's regreting it..)

And a player who Only defends is a disaster to the modern offense. either type either isn't going to be able to switch at all on one end of the court, or isn't going to be able to contribute with or without the ball or the other (unless they set a good screen i guess, i love a good screen), and may even have super-repellant-reverse-magnetization-anti-gravity clogging up our other players air-waves, y'know.


Dantheman504
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
I didn't say players that can ONLY do that 1 thing. Players that can do multiple but are specialized in one of those categories. Obviously because it may be impossible to get that " jack of all trades" from trading Jrue. That's why I think if we trade Jrue we package several 1st with him and go for the most elite player we can get. But idiots will come in here real quick and say that is "crippling our future" and "why must we risk everything to win now".... Jackasses. Sorry I couldn't help myself


NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
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I think if we trade Jrue we package several 1st with him and go for the most elite player we can get

Jrue doesn't need 1sts attached to him to get a nice haul, plus we have tons of picks in this draft we can ditch if it was necessary; but the teams whom Jrue is of the most value of to are those looking to add him alongside their star/s, not those looking to trade one.

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"crippling our future" and "why must we risk everything to win now"

you'd have to drop us a name or 2 to know what kind of player you're talking about, but yeah thats generally a bad idea, and a lesson we've already had to learn the hard way a few times recently..


Dantheman504
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
And I'll tell you like I told others, its not even close to the same situation. At that time we didn't even have our own draft picks nonetheless 4 years of another teams'. On top of that we already have 2 players to build our franchise on and neither would be included in that trade. Can I get a response that says ok I understand that? To add on to that, we never got 4 picks from the Lakers and a bunch of 2nd to draft 20 players the next 5 years. If trading some of those picks ( which in my opinion are mainly useless if we plan on being a playoff team) lands us a top tier player or the closest thing to it then you do it.


NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
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we already have 2 players to build our franchise on and neither would be included in that trade. Can I get a response that says ok I understand that?
Okay, I understand that, truly.
What I don't understand is who you think we are hoarding our picks against our date with destiny with.
Which stars are being dangled for or could be pried away with picks, and why would that team who is blowing it up trade for Jrue Holiday?

If you are talking about separate trades then go a head, but the player you are talking about getting for Jrue + picks, doesn't exist on the market i don't think.

If i was trying to make your case for you, all i can come up with is maybe Philadelphia would trade Ben Simmons, but they'd have to find takers for Horford &/or Tobias Harris, and we couldn't take Simmons and one of those guys and still have have money for everyone, i don't think. I might be on your side in a different market or if you say who it would be worth it for should they suddenly be on the market.


Dantheman504
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
100% talking about separate trades. I don't have the stats and hope a guru can come show them, but probably less than 30ish% of our draft picks will be valuable to us or even be able to be retained due to roster limitations.

So several of those picks are more valuable to us in order to aquire role players and assets > taking a chance on draft picks. If we are being real here we need lower draft picks and cut the ones we have in half. We have the flexibility to trade for players and test out some younger guys without hurting our future.

Even if we trade for Lavert or other B to B+ players, they would be more valuable because we can test their immediate impact along with knowing they are assets that can be sent off if they don't fit. Draft picks are all a chance plain and simple. The best part is we can do this and STILL draft a player or 2 in the first round every year the next few years.
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brmark70816
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
Has anyone mentioned the possibility of moving Ingram? I don't even know if a sign and trade is a thing anymore. But he is obviously getting a max..


Dantheman504
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
Ben Simmons is a good example. A lot of people want to trade for Booker, which I'd love if its somehow possible. I'm just saying if we can get one of those guys for adding a pick with Jrue then you do it. And if we can get a solid role player by attaching a pick with JJ before he walks for nothing then you do it. For anyone to think that keeping a mid round first is more valuable than these situations is just hard to understand.


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Soggymoss
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
It would take a blockbuster more than Paul George netted OKC type deal to get Ingram.


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Dantheman504
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
The only 3 players I wouldn't touch on our roster for the next 4+ years are BI, Zion, and Hart. I don't count Jrue just because of contracts and trade value.
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
That would be a HORRIBLE trade for the pels.

Where do you fricks come from?


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brmark70816
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
Aren't Hart and Ingram RFAs? What if someone offers Hart a huge deal?

I just don't believe Holiday or Redick will be moved. There has to be some hesitation about maxing Ingram, since it hasn't happened yet. There are a ton of teams in the East that would love Ingram. Plus he has only been here a year. Should be really be the highest paid player on the team?


Dantheman504
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
His contract hasn't happened yet because we are kinda busy searching for a head coach right now. Hart and Ingram are going to be re signed. Hart was the first person who asked us not to get rid of him, he wants to be here and we are gonna pay him for that reason included.

There is no solid evidence that either of Jrue or JJ are going anywhere. BUT we aren't winning a championship this year and JJ walking would leave us with no asset and an empty roster spot that another veteran most likely won't want to fill. So don't be surprised if we can move him for anything of future value to us.

Once again JJ to the Nets is an interesting thought. Its his home and he would take a discount for a chance at a championship. I'm sure they would be happy to have him aswell.


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Chalkywhite84
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
I would do that trade but that Horford contract is tough.
McCollum is worth his money cause he can get his shot whenever.
We need someone like McCollum with the game on the line.
Would y'all trade true for McCollum ?
If not what better trades are out there?


TigerinATL
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
The problem with Jrue for McCollum is it creates as many holes as it fills. If you’re going to build a defense with defenders as bad as CJ and BI you need a good rim protecting big, an All NBAish level defender on the wing, and Zion needs to become really good on defense.

Replacing Jrue’s defense won’t be easy. Also, AD, who was supposed to be good on defense from the start, took several years to get there. Hopefully it clicks for Zion next year, but it could be 2-3 years from now before he’s good enough to help cover for having 2 bad perimeter defenders on the floor.


VerlanderBEAST
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re: How does the roster improve with ONLY major trades? (old thread remix)
No one is taking Bledsoe's contract amd the Bucks just dont have the expiring contracts to make a trade work
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