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re: Hollinger: Jrue + JJ for Wiggins, Looney, #2, Minn 2021
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:20 am to Epic Cajun
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:20 am to Epic Cajun
Aren't they tied to a percentage of the cap? As in, they have no choice. For those who have those contracts.
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Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:34 am to LouisianaJoseph
quote:
Aren't they tied to a percentage of the cap? As in, they have no choice. For those who have those contracts.
The contracts aren’t tied to the cap except in the first year. They are a percentage of the cap the year it is signed then set raises off of that number.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:36 am to death valley driver
I do this if the Knicks want Wiggins and the 2 pick for their 8th pick, future first, and 2023 Mavs pick (top10 protected). Or at least something along those lines. Wiggins can’t be a part of this team for 3 years and the second pick is just meh to me.
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 10:39 am
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:53 am to Soggymoss
quote:What team would take Wiggins contract into space without attaching major assets? Not a chance.
I'd do it in a heartbeat.
We would be able to find someone to take Wiggins into cap space without having to give up any assets
Posted on 8/21/20 at 11:01 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Fair enough, and makes sense.
What I meant by consider I meant that this board has to get used to the idea that it will be discussed.
Not "Griffin needs to do this trade".
I'm just a huge no on this trade idea.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 11:02 am to RosyFinchBOYZ
quote:And, to add to that. Only max contracts are tied to a percentage of the cap.
The contracts aren’t tied to the cap except in the first year. They are a percentage of the cap the year it is signed then set raises off of that number.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 11:24 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:
Just so we're all clear:
$29,542,010
$31,579,390
$33,616,770
HOT TAKE
wiggins' contract is better than klay thompson's contract
Posted on 8/21/20 at 11:37 am to Macintosh504
I think this works:
GS: Jrue, JJ
NYK: Wiggins, #2
Pels: Looney, #8, Minn '21, NYK '21, '23 Mavs, salary match for Wiggins (Gibson, Ellington, Ntilikina)
Seems to be a tad overpay for the Knicks. Depends on how they feel about Wiggins. Personally, I would give up getting #8 this year to get NYK's '21 unprotected. That way for '21, you have your own lottery pick, Knicks lottery pick and Minny's Top 3 protected. You could draft a guy AND flip two high lottery picks for a vet next year.
GS: Jrue, JJ
NYK: Wiggins, #2
Pels: Looney, #8, Minn '21, NYK '21, '23 Mavs, salary match for Wiggins (Gibson, Ellington, Ntilikina)
Seems to be a tad overpay for the Knicks. Depends on how they feel about Wiggins. Personally, I would give up getting #8 this year to get NYK's '21 unprotected. That way for '21, you have your own lottery pick, Knicks lottery pick and Minny's Top 3 protected. You could draft a guy AND flip two high lottery picks for a vet next year.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 11:57 am to NOSHAU
Any team that feels he can help them and has cap space i.e. NYK, Atlanta, Phx, not sure on their cap but maybe even Sacramento
Posted on 8/21/20 at 12:04 pm to cgrand
quote:
HOT TAKE
wiggins' contract is better than klay thompson's contract
While Klay is out injured, sure, but when he's healthy, he's actually a useful player. Klay is definitely a slight overpay, but Wiggins is a gross overpay.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 12:05 pm to Long_Time_Lurker
Knicks should have a max slot available to use, so theoretically they wouldnt even have to send back any salary.
I would let them keep their 21 pick, im targeting Okoro in this draft. He allows me to move BI to the 2, and I have a buttload of cap space to go get a 1 (Kyle Lowry or Fred Van Vleet) with some fight in him to teach these young guys how to fight and win.
I would let them keep their 21 pick, im targeting Okoro in this draft. He allows me to move BI to the 2, and I have a buttload of cap space to go get a 1 (Kyle Lowry or Fred Van Vleet) with some fight in him to teach these young guys how to fight and win.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 12:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Wiggins is vastly overpaid but he isn't terrible as a player, so it's not like we'd be buying him out
He's basically a replacement level player who will take up about 1/3 of your cap the next 2 years.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 12:08 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
future 1sts for taking on a bad contrac
The future Warriors first is likely a shitty pick. I'd rather picks at the top of the 2nd than bottom of the first for CBA reasons.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 12:08 pm to duyp
quote:
Golden state is going for embiid. He fits with them and is more tradable than Jrue. They’re a mess over there.
Philly isn’t just going to give away Embiid. There were reports where they wouldn’t trade him for AD. And he’s more tradable than Jrue lol? Embiid is always first or second team all nba and on the NBA defensive teams. Jrue hasn’t sniffed an All star game since the Philly days in a really horrible East at the time....
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 8/21/20 at 12:08 pm to cgrand
A 4 teamer with the Knicks and Pistions that includes Jrue and Lonzo
Warriors - Jrue
Pels - Taj Gibson, Elfrid Payton, Wayne Ellington, Minny 2021 1st, GSW 2022 1st, future Knicks/Mavs pick
Pistons - Wiggins, Bobby Portis, #2 pick, future Knicks/Mavs pick
Knicks - Blake Griffin, Lonzo Ball
I think this is a good framework.
The Knicks get star power in Blake and Lonzo
The Pistons get draft capital to rebuild
The Warriors get the best player in the deal
The Pels - meh - I'd feel a lot better if you could get the Knicks to throw in the #8, but they're already putting in 2 future picks.
Warriors - Jrue
Pels - Taj Gibson, Elfrid Payton, Wayne Ellington, Minny 2021 1st, GSW 2022 1st, future Knicks/Mavs pick
Pistons - Wiggins, Bobby Portis, #2 pick, future Knicks/Mavs pick
Knicks - Blake Griffin, Lonzo Ball
I think this is a good framework.
The Knicks get star power in Blake and Lonzo
The Pistons get draft capital to rebuild
The Warriors get the best player in the deal
The Pels - meh - I'd feel a lot better if you could get the Knicks to throw in the #8, but they're already putting in 2 future picks.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 12:17 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
A 4 teamer with the Knicks and Pistions that includes Jrue and Lonzo
Warriors - Jrue
Pels - Taj Gibson, Elfrid Payton, Wayne Ellington, Minny 2021 1st, GSW 2022 1st, future Knicks/Mavs pick
Pistons - Wiggins, Bobby Portis, #2 pick, future Knicks/Mavs pick
Knicks - Blake Griffin, Lonzo Ball
I think this is a good framework.
The Knicks get star power in Blake and Lonzo
The Pistons get draft capital to rebuild
The Warriors get the best player in the deal
The Pels - meh - I'd feel a lot better if you could get the Knicks to throw in the #8, but they're already putting in 2 future picks.
The best asset we would be getting is top 3 protected in 2021. For us to get a top 3 pick out of that, Minny would have to get a top 3 pick for 3 straight years.Posted on 8/21/20 at 12:23 pm to Soggymoss
quote:No team is taking $100 million in contracts for nothing, unless that player is a borderline star.
Any team that feels he can help them and has cap space i.e. NYK, Atlanta, Phx, not sure on their cap but maybe even Sacramento
Posted on 8/21/20 at 12:24 pm to Baron
quote:
Do we think the Pels can rehab Wiggins enough that it becomes at least a net neutral the year before he expires so that his contract can be used to match salaries in a trade for a star
This is the key and why I do this trade. You can probably get Wiseman or Edwards. A good player with the Minny pick. Wiggins is a starter in this league just worth maybe 1/3 of his salary. But we are young and not going anywhere while Curry, Lebron, and Kawhi are around so we need to be building the war chest for when the time is right.
If we could get a good coach to develop some of Hayes, NAW, Didi, whatever pick we make this year, the GS pick, etc, they could be used with an expiring Wiggins to bring in that third star we need. Jrue and Redick are great but not on our timeline and deserve to go out winners.
O and it f*cks LeBaby and his uni browed boo next year....
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 8/21/20 at 12:30 pm to NOSHAU
And Wiggins has shown that borderline all star potential when playing within a scheme designed for him i.e. playing the 2 instead of the 3..
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:02 pm to Soggymoss
I wouldn’t be opposed to keeping Wiggins. He has skill and ability that we lack on the roster. It really depends on the coach that gets hired and his/her ability to get Wiggins to accept that he’s not option 1 or option 2.
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