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re: Give me your top 3 that you want for Pels at 8 spot
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:31 am to brmark70816
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:31 am to brmark70816
quote:If your #1 guy is available at 4, you take him without hesitation.
That just makes no sense. They have Mitchell and Fox. Why get another PG. Then you have 3 guys that can't play together. Ivey is my 1 or 2 guy in the draft. But he doesn't make sense for the Kings, unless they trade 1 of the other..
Why would you not take the player you think is the best player in the draft because you have Davion Mitchell who will likely max out as a role player.
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 11:32 am
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Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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I think Sochan is trending towards a Diaw-like projection, which isn't a bad thing.
When has a guy with that skillset worked his way into the top 10? Guys like Diaw, Herb, Draymond and many of the other comps went late. We knew their skill sets entering the draft. Did FOs not value it or just missed that bad? This is an important pick for us as it’s likely one the last opportunities to round out the roster with a guy with years of control and reasonable salary. I don’t believe we have the luxury of adding a Sochan yet.
I’m curious why he seems to be the only prospect whose flaws are glanced over or framed as being untapped potential
Posted on 5/27/22 at 12:12 pm to GynoSandberg
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When has a guy with that skillset worked his way into the top 10? Guys like Diaw, Herb, Draymond and many of the other comps went late.
I think the value is seen more today b/c "tweener" isn't the killer label it was in the day.
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I’m curious why he seems to be the only prospect whose flaws are glanced over or framed as being untapped potential
I was trying to address his flaws by making a Diaw comparison. That wasn't meant to say he has this unlimited potential like many are saying.
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This is an important pick for us as it’s likely one the last opportunities to round out the roster with a guy with years of control and reasonable salary.
a. I have more faith in the Lakers' picks being worth something
b. I agree, which is why my 3 were guys who projected a lot higher, including Sharpe as my #1. I also fully admit I'm a Davis-stan and his lack of athleticism gives a lower ceiling.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 12:13 pm to shel311
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Why would you not take the player you think is the best player in the draft because you have Davion Mitchell who will likely max out as a role player.
b/c the kings are run by morons.
I don't think they are going to take Ivey either, b/c of the reason he mentioned, if they make the pick:
quote:
As of right now, there is a strong chance that this pick gets traded, as the Sacramento Kings have already begun some initial discussions with teams that have shown interest in the pick. Of course, no trade is imminent, but leading up to the draft, expect Sacramento to be very aggressive in trade talks as they look to pick up “win-now” pieces to pair alongside De’Aaron Fox and Domantas Sabonis.
from SI's mock draft after the combine.
We don't have the player they are looking for, so a third team has to be involved.
Cavs get DG and 2 2nd's from Sac (23 Indy & 25 Portland).
Kings get LeVert, Jax, #8, Milwaukee 25 1st.
Pels get Barnes and #4
Posted on 5/27/22 at 12:19 pm to Epic Cajun
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Guess it depends on who you're listening to/reading. I've seen a few places mention that they believe Sochan's shot won't be a problem. Sam Vecenie mentioned it recently.
This year, Pels were 27th in 3-pt% at 33.2%...next year, we will be in upper half on 3-pt%, maybe even in top 10. Fairly easy to see what's coming, when I realized who will be taking many MORE 3s next year for the Pels and who will be taking many LESS, or none at all.
NBA league average was 35.4% this past season...and I fully expect the Pels to shoot better than that, next year. So bottom line, we should draft accordingly...based on our one glaring need and I think you know what I mean by that. (Hint: His initials are...Jeremy Sochan)
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 5/27/22 at 12:34 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Pels get Barnes and #4
18MM expiring and #4 for #8, hayes/graham and a MIL pick?
sign me the frick up
Posted on 5/27/22 at 12:42 pm to cgrand
The Kings have been shopping Barnes for some time.
They want younger pieces to fit with Fox and Sabonis.
I don't think Barnes has that much value, b/c if he did he would have been traded by now.
How much do you think it costs to move up from 8th to 4th? that was the point of the future 1st from Milwaukee. They would probably like a future 1st that they feel better about being in the teens, but that's where the LeVert/Jaxson being more than Barnes makes up for it.
Maybe the Cavs would like something better than 2 2nds and DG for LeVert, and i'd give them our 24 1st if that's what it took.
I'd really like to draft Ivey.
They want younger pieces to fit with Fox and Sabonis.
I don't think Barnes has that much value, b/c if he did he would have been traded by now.
How much do you think it costs to move up from 8th to 4th? that was the point of the future 1st from Milwaukee. They would probably like a future 1st that they feel better about being in the teens, but that's where the LeVert/Jaxson being more than Barnes makes up for it.
Maybe the Cavs would like something better than 2 2nds and DG for LeVert, and i'd give them our 24 1st if that's what it took.
I'd really like to draft Ivey.
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 5/27/22 at 2:11 pm to TigerinATL
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Fred Vinson hasn't fixed everyone.
Sochan doesn’t need fixing, is more my point. He’s already well down the road of improvement and development.
But in terms of balanced players, you don’t get more balanced than Daniels and Sochan. But Sochan’s size pushed him ahead of Daniels for me, Sochan can potentially defend all 5 positions. He can be a point forward for you or you can put him on the block/dunkers spot. Or if he further develops the shot he’s a stretch candidate. The versatility is unmatched.
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 5/27/22 at 2:24 pm to Chad504boy
Johnny Davis - high level defender, checks a lot of boxes on offense, highly competitive, wants to win above all else, does everything good to great except for 3 point shooting and conference player of the year. Description is exactly the type of players we are trying to bring in. Can share a backcourt with Jose and CJ.
Dyson Daniels - Big guard, lots of potential on defense, can handle but nowhere near as polished as Davis on offense. Potentially great fit with CJ but questionable fit with Jose because of his shooting.
AJ Griffin (if he falls) - If he falls to us, would love to get another high level 3 and D player. Imagine this 5: CJ, BI, Griffin, Trey, and Zion. Would be unstoppable on offense.
Dyson Daniels - Big guard, lots of potential on defense, can handle but nowhere near as polished as Davis on offense. Potentially great fit with CJ but questionable fit with Jose because of his shooting.
AJ Griffin (if he falls) - If he falls to us, would love to get another high level 3 and D player. Imagine this 5: CJ, BI, Griffin, Trey, and Zion. Would be unstoppable on offense.
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 5/27/22 at 3:58 pm to saintslsupels
AJ griffin has the 3 but severely lacks the D (lmao).
Dude is a turnstile on defense.
Dude is a turnstile on defense.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 4:21 pm to Kerchek
People seriously need to stop referring to Griffin as a 3 and D.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 4:59 pm to RUFshreve
I agree, but he’s not as bad defensively as Kerchek has made him out to be. He’s leading that charge by a mile. I’ve watched a ton of his defensive possessions and fundamentally he’s very very bad. If he goes somewhere that can hone in on those fundamentals, and he’s willing to work (and by all accounts he’s a great kid)o, he will be just fine.
He plays hard enough, and he’s shown enough understanding of off-ball and team defense at such an early age, if those fundamentals can get fixed his ceiling is pretty high on that side.
He plays hard enough, and he’s shown enough understanding of off-ball and team defense at such an early age, if those fundamentals can get fixed his ceiling is pretty high on that side.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 5:24 pm to CP3forMVP
Respectfully disagree.
Ive watched just about everything I can get my hands on regarding AJ. Both his on and off ball defense is horrible.
He REGULARLY gets blown by 1 on 1, is horrible at fighting through screens, lacks any sort of lateral agility, and lacks vertical agility as well.
He's too small to guard 4s and wayyyy to slow to effectively guard 1-3.
Why didn't he measure at the combine? Why didn't he participate in any sort of drills??
Something tells me he is NOT 6'6. Curious about his wingspan as well.
Other prospects at least measured. (Sharpe and Davis). Why didn't AJ?? What's he hiding?
LINK
LINK (1:17:30 is defense)
Ive watched just about everything I can get my hands on regarding AJ. Both his on and off ball defense is horrible.
He REGULARLY gets blown by 1 on 1, is horrible at fighting through screens, lacks any sort of lateral agility, and lacks vertical agility as well.
He's too small to guard 4s and wayyyy to slow to effectively guard 1-3.
Why didn't he measure at the combine? Why didn't he participate in any sort of drills??
Something tells me he is NOT 6'6. Curious about his wingspan as well.
Other prospects at least measured. (Sharpe and Davis). Why didn't AJ?? What's he hiding?
LINK
LINK (1:17:30 is defense)
Posted on 5/27/22 at 6:17 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Cavs get DG and 2 2nd's from Sac (23 Indy & 25 Portland).
Kings get LeVert, Jax, #8, Milwaukee 25 1st.
Pels get Barnes and #4
Don't we owe the Milwaukee pick to Portland now?
I'd imagine they may want something such as... Next year's Lakers pick.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:55 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
When has a guy with that skillset worked his way into the top 10? Guys like Diaw, Herb, Draymond and many of the other comps went late. We knew their skill sets entering the draft. Did FOs not value it or just missed that bad? This is an important pick for us as it’s likely one the last opportunities to round out the roster with a guy with years of control and reasonable salary. I don’t believe we have the luxury of adding a Sochan yet.
I think the league is getting smarter, and realizing that those “elite role players” (I know it’s a conundrum) are very valuable if you already have stars on your roster.
quote:All prospects have flaws, but players like Sochan and Daniels will be valuable even if they don’t fix their flaws. A player who plays elite defense and shoots 33% from 3 is more valuable than a player who shoots 38% from 3 but is a turnstile on defense.
I’m curious why he seems to be the only prospect whose flaws are glanced over or framed as being untapped potential
Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:37 pm to Epic Cajun
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All prospects have flaws, but players like Sochan and Daniels will be valuable even if they don’t fix their flaws. A player who plays elite defense and shoots 33% from 3 is more valuable than a player who shoots 38% from 3 but is a turnstile on defense.
Game is changing...fast. There's about 10 different ways for a team to minimize their own player's offensive "flaws"...and at the same time, about 10 ways that same team can maximize how they attack an opposing player's "flaws" on defense.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:10 pm to Epic Cajun
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I think the league is getting smarter, and realizing that those “elite role players” (I know it’s a conundrum) are very valuable if you already have stars on your roster.
To expand on this, it’s much better to draft a very good role player (with upside) than it is to draft a mediocre number 1 option (especially if you already have good offensive options).
Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:46 am to TeddyPadillac
“Cavs get DG and 2 2nd's from Sac (23 Indy & 25 Portland).
Kings get LeVert, Jax, #8, Milwaukee 25 1st.
Pels get Barnes and #4”
Ahh yes 31 y/o Barnes fits this roster great @ 20 mil. Such a better fit than Colin Sexton for 20 mil @ 24 y/o…. Or any other player in their 20’s. Y’all bitch and complain about trading for a 20 mil player and then reference Harrison fricking Barnes???
Also anyone with common sense can see Sacramento drafting Ivey. They already drafted Halliburton and had Fox/ Mitchell. They traded Halliburton to get Sabonis and still have a chance to get a another similar guy. Why is everyone assuming they don’t draft Ivey? Is it because they traded a PG for a PF? Cause that’s a counter argument not a supporting argument.
Kings get LeVert, Jax, #8, Milwaukee 25 1st.
Pels get Barnes and #4”
Ahh yes 31 y/o Barnes fits this roster great @ 20 mil. Such a better fit than Colin Sexton for 20 mil @ 24 y/o…. Or any other player in their 20’s. Y’all bitch and complain about trading for a 20 mil player and then reference Harrison fricking Barnes???
Also anyone with common sense can see Sacramento drafting Ivey. They already drafted Halliburton and had Fox/ Mitchell. They traded Halliburton to get Sabonis and still have a chance to get a another similar guy. Why is everyone assuming they don’t draft Ivey? Is it because they traded a PG for a PF? Cause that’s a counter argument not a supporting argument.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:53 am to Dantheman504
quote:Not saying I'm for the trade but it's a bit too simple to only compare Sexton to Barnes.
Ahh yes 31 y/o Barnes fits this roster great @ 20 mil. Such a better fit than Colin Sexton for 20 mil @ 24 y/o…. Or any other player in their 20’s. Y’all bitch and complain about trading for a 20 mil player and then reference Harrison fricking Barnes???
The real comparison is Sexton to Barnes+Ivey(plus the chance Ivey goes top 3 and we get one of Jabari/Chet/Banchero)
Another point on that, we can't afford to take on Sexton and his incoming extention. We can't afford Sexton/Zion/BI/CJ getting paid big bucks. So it's a non-starter from the get go on Sexton. But the proposed deal for Barnes is really just 1 year for Barnes, letting his deal expire and come off the books but getting #4 overall.
Basically, there is no $20mil player we can trade for this offseason without adding 1 of BI/CJ/Zion to the deal.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:06 am to shel311
I understand it’s not exactly comparable. But we don’t need another SF. What’s the point of spending 20 mil for a 31 y/o 1 year rental? I’d rather keep Graham for 12mil @ 3 years and actually have a position of need filled. If Sacramento trades Barnes and #4 they would want a better player than LaVert or Graham.
“we can’t afford to take on Sexton”. But we can afford to pay a 31 y/o 20 mil to sit on the bench and then draft a more expensive player at #4. I laugh when some of y’all say “we can’t afford that” while suggesting we spend 25+ mil at the same time.
“we can’t afford to take on Sexton”. But we can afford to pay a 31 y/o 20 mil to sit on the bench and then draft a more expensive player at #4. I laugh when some of y’all say “we can’t afford that” while suggesting we spend 25+ mil at the same time.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 10:07 am
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