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re: Give me your top 3 that you want for Pels at 8 spot
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:58 pm to New City Champ
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:58 pm to New City Champ
Seems like Sochan should go top 5 based on that
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Posted on 5/27/22 at 2:45 am to Lester Earl
I wouldn’t mind Sochan but I’ve just kind of fallen in love with Daniels and Mathurin. I’ve been in on Mathurin for a while but Daniels is the kind of player, if his 3 ball continues to improve, that could be a cornerstone combo guard for us for years to come.
But I will admit it is hard passing up a more sure thing shooter like Mathurin
But I will admit it is hard passing up a more sure thing shooter like Mathurin
Posted on 5/27/22 at 5:18 am to WicKed WayZ
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I’ve been in on Mathurin for a while but Daniels is the kind of player, if his 3 ball continues to improve, that could be a cornerstone combo guard for us for years to come.
I’d be very happy with either but this is why I’m leaning Daniels. He would fit very well next to CJ, and if we feel like he have a window before having to move off of CJ then Daniels is the guy. I don’t know if Mathurin will fit in the starting lineup as seamlessly.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:29 am to higgsBoson
I like Mathurin, but through no fault of his own the more I watch other guys I like them more and Mathurin less.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:59 am to CP3forMVP
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I like Mathurin, but through no fault of his own the more I watch other guys I like them more and Mathurin less.
kind of been the same way for me too.
Take Daniels for instance. Knock on him was his shooting, and it was pretty bad if all you see is 25%, but if you actually watch him shoot you can tell his shot looks good, it just wasnt' going in, and that was only a 14 game sample.
You can look at Trey this year. Shot 34% in his first 30 or so games, then started sitting out more games and had a few G-League games, then came back and shot 44% over the last 20 games of the season, and 47% in the playoffs.
Buddy was the same way, started off slow, then got better.
Granted I don't think Dyson Daniels is the shooter either of those two are, but his shot looks too good to not be a 35%+ 3 point shooter.
also the more i look at what's available at #8, the odds are if you hit on your pick, it's going to be a role player, not an all-star caliber player, so pick a guy that you know can be a good role player in the league, regardless of his position and stop trying to find Donovan Mitchell or Jamal Murray b/c that's how you end up drafting Jarrett Culver, or Dennis Smith Jr, or Cam Reddish or Kevin Knox or Kris Dunn.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:04 am to TeddyPadillac
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also the more i look at what's available at #8, the odds are if you hit on your pick, it's going to be a role player, not an all-star caliber player, so pick a guy that you know can be a good role player in the league, regardless of his position and stop trying to find Donovan Mitchell or Jamal Murray b/c that's how you end up drafting Jarrett Culver, or Dennis Smith Jr, or Cam Reddish or Kevin Knox or Kris Dunn.
IMO, players like Daniels and Sochan have high ceilings and high floors. At worst they will be useful players due to their defense and length.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:07 am to Epic Cajun
I've fallen off on Sochan at 8. The shooting just seems too bad to pick him there with what other guys available can do.
I like Mathurin there, followed by Daniels now I think.
If Keegan Murray is available he would be a top choice as well.
I like Mathurin there, followed by Daniels now I think.
If Keegan Murray is available he would be a top choice as well.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:16 am to Fun Bunch
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I've fallen off on Sochan at 8. The shooting just seems too bad to pick him there with what other guys available can do.
Have you looked at his shot? It's not bad. I think it could be really solid with some work, and we have one of the best shooting coaches on staff.
IMO, his floor is PJ Tucker, and his ceiling is a bigger Draymond.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:21 am to Epic Cajun
I just think there are better options available at 8.
If we fall back a few spots I have no problem with him.
If we fall back a few spots I have no problem with him.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:48 am to Fun Bunch
The shooting isn’t nearly as bad when you dive into it. If anything the free throw shooting is the question for me, and we just happen to have the best shooting coach in the league. It’s really a non issue for me. He will shoot it just fine, he’s already showing the signs.
He may never shoot it to the level of Mathurin, but he’s going to do 6-8 things at a higher to much higher level.
He may never shoot it to the level of Mathurin, but he’s going to do 6-8 things at a higher to much higher level.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:56 am to CP3forMVP
Fred Vinson hasn't fixed everyone. Naji was basically Herb's workout partner with Vinson after practice every day and he shot 20% from 3 on the season. If Sochan is the best option when we pick, so be it, but he's not at the top of my list because there hopefully are some better balanced options like Daniels available.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:00 am to TigerinATL
I don't understand being down on Sochan due to his shot, and being high on Daniels at the same time.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:06 am to Epic Cajun
Because the "experts" say they are seeing things at the combine to suggest not worrying about Daniels' shot but we haven't heard similar things about Sochan despite most of what we're hearing about Sochan being positive.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:13 am to TigerinATL
I think Sochan is trending towards a Diaw-like projection, which isn't a bad thing.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:25 am to TigerinATL
heres the "consensus" mock draft page from NBA.com, though it hasnt been updated for a week or so.
LINK
MOST COMMON PICKS
No. 1 (Magic): Jabari Smith (7)
No. 2 (Thunder): Chet Holmgren (7)
No. 3 (Rockets): Paolo Banchero (9)
No. 4 (Kings): Jaden Ivey (7)
No. 5 (Pistons): Jaden Ivey, Shaedon Sharpe (5)
No. 6 (Pacers): Keegan Murray (8)
No. 7 (Trail Blazers): Jalen Duren, A.J. Griffin, Bennedict Mathurin (4)
No. 8 (Pelicans): Jalen Duren, A.J. Griffin, Bennedict Mathurin (3)
No. 9 (Spurs): Jalen Duren (3)
No. 10 (Wizards): Johnny Davis (5)
No. 11 (Knicks): A.J. Griffin, Dyson Daniels, Bennedict Mathurin (3)
No. 12 (Thunder): Jeremy Sochan (4)
No. 13 (Hornets): Mark Williams (6)
No. 14 (Cavaliers): Malaki Branham (8)
LINK
MOST COMMON PICKS
No. 1 (Magic): Jabari Smith (7)
No. 2 (Thunder): Chet Holmgren (7)
No. 3 (Rockets): Paolo Banchero (9)
No. 4 (Kings): Jaden Ivey (7)
No. 5 (Pistons): Jaden Ivey, Shaedon Sharpe (5)
No. 6 (Pacers): Keegan Murray (8)
No. 7 (Trail Blazers): Jalen Duren, A.J. Griffin, Bennedict Mathurin (4)
No. 8 (Pelicans): Jalen Duren, A.J. Griffin, Bennedict Mathurin (3)
No. 9 (Spurs): Jalen Duren (3)
No. 10 (Wizards): Johnny Davis (5)
No. 11 (Knicks): A.J. Griffin, Dyson Daniels, Bennedict Mathurin (3)
No. 12 (Thunder): Jeremy Sochan (4)
No. 13 (Hornets): Mark Williams (6)
No. 14 (Cavaliers): Malaki Branham (8)
Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:26 am to Epic Cajun
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I don't understand being down on Sochan due to his shot, and being high on Daniels at the same time.
Have you seen Daniels shoot? He looks like a shooter, and i don't really see much wrong with his form. I think it's more of a strength thing and him adjusting to the NBA 3 point line. I would expect him to be a near 40% C&S 3 point shooter in due time.
I don't think Sochan's shot looks bad either.
Like with Lonzo, being smarter about the shots they take, and getting stronger as they get older will get them to be an effective 3 point shooter in the league, at least from a catch and shoot perspective. I'm not sure either of them will be a good 3 point shooter off the dribble or pull up, Sochan for sure, but i don't even think Dyson will be good at that either but he has more skills to be adequate at that possibly.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:39 am to TeddyPadillac
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Have you seen Daniels shoot? He looks like a shooter, and i don't really see much wrong with his form. I think it's more of a strength thing and him adjusting to the NBA 3 point line. I would expect him to be a near 40% C&S 3 point shooter in due time.
I’m not down on Daniels either, they are both players who were bad statistically but I think they will be at least average shooters in the league, IMO.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 10:51 am to TigerinATL
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Because the "experts" say they are seeing things at the combine to suggest not worrying about Daniels' shot but we haven't heard similar things about Sochan despite most of what we're hearing about Sochan being positive.
Guess it depends on who you're listening to/reading. I've seen a few places mention that they believe Sochan's shot won't be a problem. Sam Vecenie mentioned it recently.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:12 am to Epic Cajun
Daniels shot over 70% from the line. Sochan shot under 60%.
UNDER 60%...
Daniels shot over 40% from 3 on his last 10 games coupled with a great combine showing.
I'd be shocked if either became great shooters.
UNDER 60%...
Daniels shot over 40% from 3 on his last 10 games coupled with a great combine showing.
I'd be shocked if either became great shooters.
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 11:14 am
Posted on 5/27/22 at 11:27 am to cgrand
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. 4 (Kings): Jaden Ivey (7)
That just makes no sense. They have Mitchell and Fox. Why get another PG. Then you have 3 guys that can't play together. Ivey is my 1 or 2 guy in the draft. But he doesn't make sense for the Kings, unless they trade 1 of the other..
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