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re: Duncan & Fletcher would be surprised if Gentry and staff do not get 1 more year
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:02 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:02 am to Fun Bunch
The problem with hiring someone new right now is that you aren’t getting quality candidates because the situation as of today is such a complete and utter clusterfrick.
The only thing set in stone right now is Griffin as head of basketball. They don’t know what our pick will be, what we get for AD, if we want to do a total rebuild by moving Jrue or if we want to immediately compete, etc.
If you hire someone subpar just to change the team today, you either commit to them for several years or you use them as a bridge to get to a better coach. And doing the latter doesn’t make people want to take the job because they wouldn’t feel that the team would honor its commitments.
I don’t want Gentry back. I also know that hiring someone today means we are likely committing ourselves to a subpar coach for several years, which is worse than keeping Gentry for a year.
The only thing set in stone right now is Griffin as head of basketball. They don’t know what our pick will be, what we get for AD, if we want to do a total rebuild by moving Jrue or if we want to immediately compete, etc.
If you hire someone subpar just to change the team today, you either commit to them for several years or you use them as a bridge to get to a better coach. And doing the latter doesn’t make people want to take the job because they wouldn’t feel that the team would honor its commitments.
I don’t want Gentry back. I also know that hiring someone today means we are likely committing ourselves to a subpar coach for several years, which is worse than keeping Gentry for a year.
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Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:16 am to Chad504boy
I noted this could happen if Griff was hired. It's not just that Ms Gayle likes Alvin, Griff does too.
They have history together from Phoenix and he interviewed him in Cleveland before he ended up with his buddy Kerr in Golden State.
They have history together from Phoenix and he interviewed him in Cleveland before he ended up with his buddy Kerr in Golden State.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:19 am to NOFOX
I imagine it's not easy to lure attractive coaching candidates in with a sales pitch of: "we could maybe have a pretty decent young core in a few months... depending on a dozen different things"
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:19 am to NOFOX
alvin may not be an upper echelon coach but seldom have i thought he was our biggest problem.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:25 am to Chad504boy
I think the biggest issue is that fans think the coaches primary job is X's and O's. It's not. They are glorified babysitters and ego manipulators. They are more psychologists than tacticians. Phil Jackson wouldn't rank in the top 100 all time when it comes to X's and O's. He let Tex do that.
Gentry's job here next year will be to provide stability through the chaos. To help Jrue ascend as a leader. To be the face put in front of the media while the real decision makers are figuring out the long term plan behind the scenes. And I agree with that personally. Once a direction is figured out and a lot of unknowns are known, they will identify the right guy. It doesn't all have to happen right away
Gentry's job here next year will be to provide stability through the chaos. To help Jrue ascend as a leader. To be the face put in front of the media while the real decision makers are figuring out the long term plan behind the scenes. And I agree with that personally. Once a direction is figured out and a lot of unknowns are known, they will identify the right guy. It doesn't all have to happen right away
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:26 am to teke184
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The problem with hiring someone new right now is that you aren’t getting quality candidates because the situation as of today is such a complete and utter clusterfrick.
This is a fair point. My inclination would be to fire Gentry and promote Finch, but the point is well taken.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:28 am to jmcwhrter
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I imagine it's not easy to lure attractive coaching candidates in with a sales pitch of: "we could maybe have a pretty decent young core in a few months... depending on a dozen different things"
It's not like there is a homerun coach out there (like Bud) waiting for us. I also think Griffin wants to build out the core, evaluate them, and then hire a coach that syncs with the talent.
He noted before that he wouldn't have made the Blatt hire if he had known he was getting Lebron because it was not a good fit.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:35 am to Fun Bunch
Griffin doesn't know Finch. Why commit to him right now, when you can use a year to get to know him and also survey the landscape and use all that info in 12 months to make a decision? As opposed to your scenario where they fire Gentry now, promote Finch and then he doesn't fit what Griffin wants, so he has to fire him and hire another guy, giving yourself 3 head coaches in 12 months. Isn't the first scenario the smarter way to go?
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 10:35 am
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:35 am to Crewz
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Gentry's job here next year will be to provide stability through the chaos.
-new team executive
-new front office
-new team leader on the court
-massive roster transition
-likely a bunch of new rookies
there is something to be said for a bit of continuity while all that is digested.
gentry is fine for next season
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:38 am to Crewz
Not in my mind because my personal opinion is that Gentry is THAT bad of a coach.
HC's in the NBA are discarded like toilet paper.
I understand the reasoning, but I have always felt that Gentry was a really, really bad HC and I want him gone as soon as possible. I think another year of him is just wasting time.
HC's in the NBA are discarded like toilet paper.
I understand the reasoning, but I have always felt that Gentry was a really, really bad HC and I want him gone as soon as possible. I think another year of him is just wasting time.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:42 am to Ancient Astronaut
quote:Is it his fault that in 4 years, we have had only one winning record and he has lost almost 40 games more than he has won?
Who out there is better? I’m fine with keeping Gent another year. It’s not his fault AD quit.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:44 am to NOSHAU
Considering our medical staff completely and utterly fricked up the handling of most of or injured players? No, not his fault.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:45 am to NOSHAU
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Is it his fault that in 4 years, we have had only one winning record and he has lost almost 40 games more than he has won?
Now take a look at the rest of his career. He's been a HC for like 16 seasons and was a bum in all of them except like 3.
I simply do not agree with the stance that we just have too much to do and we need continuity so we keep a shitty coach.
That kind of logic is bizarre to me.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:46 am to Chad504boy
After this year I've changed my mind on Gentry. I think he's a good coach and an even better person. He really impressed me this year. After AD asked to be traded and all the drama that followed, he had the young guys and the team playing better without AD. They became a scrappy hustling team that played with fire and passion. Cast off players like Ja have come in and are playing like legit starters.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:46 am to Fun Bunch
If you have nothing to sell to a new coach, you are committing to whatever low achiever is willing to take the job.
I’d rather take one more bad year than completely frick our future by picking a name out of a hat this offseason.
I’d rather take one more bad year than completely frick our future by picking a name out of a hat this offseason.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:48 am to Crewz
quote:I would be a bit surprised if Griffin does not have a coach already in mind knowing he was taking over.
Do they do all that AND have to trade their franchise superstar and totally reset their roster all in one season? Heck, in a two month window?
Look, it is possible and if there were some superstar coach out there right now, they might do it. But why not just use this year to evaluate some of the left over staff, keep some continuity to provide some stability for the leftover players and then make wholesale changes if need be next year?
What I think you are discounting is what these players have just gone through. The AD situation rocked the organization and they forged a bond with the coaches through that. Now, you are going to completely take that away from them and ask them to just trust in all these strangers. Again, its possible but not the best course of action IMO.
Griffin needs to come in this year and establish himself and his vision, then he can hire a new coach next year after he is established. He hires a new one now, and that coach could grab some power amidst all the chaos. And again, what great no brainer coach is out there that is a different level than anybody who will be there next year or the year after?
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:50 am to teke184
quote:That's a cop out. So, any coach that comes in and has a bad record due to injuries can blame the medical staff?
Considering our medical staff completely and utterly fricked up the handling of most of or injured players? No, not his fault.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:50 am to Chad504boy
Watched Doc Rivers coach the shite out of the Clippers last night and couldn't do anything but laugh at the bums we've been stuck with here. The Pelicans lose that game by 50. But hey, its a "transition year(LOL)," so lets keep running drunk Uncle Al out there because he's nice.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:51 am to Gigoleaux
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I think he's a good coach
Based on what? There's simply no way to objectively support this.
quote:
an even better person
he is but I could not give a shite less. The HC could be an absolute degenerate scumbag as long as his team wins games.
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They became a scrappy hustling team that played with fire and passion.
For like 5 games.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 11:03 am to Fun Bunch
It's more of why does a change need to be made at the coaching level at this point? Meaning, if there isn't someone that's immediately better why not keep the continuity for another year. Like Crewz said, the players and front office have been put through the ringer the last 3 months. While I don't have any sympathy for the front office I do feel for the players who rallied behind Jrue and Gentry to steer the ship. Don't unnecessarily take that away unless a Brad Stevens-type guy is going to walk into that door and take the job. Odds are, that's not happening. Let Griffin focus on the rest to cement his vision in the front office, scouting, analytics, and G-League team. Get the coach next year when you could also make yourself a more appealing place to go.
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