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Do you support the team's hard line on "conditioning" with Zion?

Posted on 4/10/23 at 7:26 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62437 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 7:26 pm
Reading between the lines of what the team and Sham's has said, it sounds like Zion's current speed bump isn't his hamstring, but his "conditioning". We never have enough information to know exactly what's going on, but if they are effectively punting on this season for the hope of better performance from Zion in future seasons, are you for or against that?

Me, I'm against it. As a fan I feel like Uncle Al did his last year here as a coach, y'all are screwing me and saving Zion for someone else, because you aren't going to shame or demand Zion into compliance if it's already this hard for him. You're just going to build a bigger rift between the player and the team and make it more likely he learns his life lesson elsewhere.

Up Vote = Support the hard line, spare the rod, spoil the child.
Down Vote = Play the man, if he gets hurt what else is new?
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 7:29 pm to
Zion getting hurt further due to a conditioning issue hurts the franchise big time.
Posted by BeachDude022
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 7:30 pm to
quote:

effectively punting on this season for the hope of better performance from Zion in future seasons,


This was done last season and look where we’re at now. Same place we were 365 days ago.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
11985 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 7:39 pm to
His conditioning is the biggest reason why it takes forever for him to come back from injuries and makes him susceptible to setbacks and reinjury.

His rookie year, the Jones fracture, and now the hammy. It's no longer a coincidence. It's a very disturbing trend.
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11951 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 7:49 pm to
Bring Zion in out of shape at the 6 minute mark each quarter. If he can't make it 6 minute bring him at 7, or 8 or whatever he can handle and increase it game by game from there.

He is too valuable to sit and it makes for bad blood if you start him and pull him after a few minutes if he is playing well to protect him from... being tired.

Then end of quarters is the perfect built in situation to remove him from the game. Legit superstars have come off the bench this year when coming back from injury, Zion can do it.
Posted by Tmcnair96
Member since Dec 2016
403 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 7:53 pm to
I'm of the mindset you have to play games to get in game shape. It feels like the pels want him to play when he's back to where he was in the beginning of the year.
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
24149 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 7:54 pm to
quote:

Zion getting hurt further due to a conditioning issue hurts the franchise big time.


Yeah. Good thing we did what we did. I’d hate for the guy to get hurt and miss a season.

Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112428 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 7:59 pm to
Put him on the court.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
23286 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 8:05 pm to
I think we should atleast force him to dress out and sit next to Billy and Jaxson all game on the bench.
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
7123 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 8:20 pm to
I’m all for playing him 15-20 mins with the 2nd unit as is. Essentially give him the Naji and Dyson minutes. Give Ingram a break from carrying. Give CJ help to carry the 2nd unit.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
19945 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 8:25 pm to
If Zion wanted to play, he could say so. He could say, "I really wish the team would let me play, even though I'm not at 100%."

It would be quite refreshing to hear anything from Zion, as a matter of fact.

The development shown this season, especially by Trey, Herb, and Jose, makes us a true contender next season if we can get healthy and upgrade the center position.

Yeah, yeah, yeah -- I know that we've never be healthy, blah, blah, blah. But it's still the best plan that we have to actually win a title, and there's no chance of that this season.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
38412 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 8:47 pm to
There's a lot that's been made of SVG's comments earlier this year about the league as a whole struggling with increased injury DESPITE seemingly both the league and teams doing damn near everything they can (short of reducing the number of games) to improve player health and performance.

NBA has done a TON of work in lengthening the season and reducing back to backs and 3 in 4 and 4 in 5 etc. Still happens but not nearly as much as it used to.

Teams have openly embraced the Spurs method of resting guys. There's like a tiny handful of guys who will be available for all 82 games, much less play in 82.

Facilities and training staffs across the league have had hundreds of millions poured into them. Our own team pumped themselves up MASSIVELY about the facilities investment gayle made as soon as she took the reigns.

Yet we have more injuries than ever. Most of the star players in the league have lengthy rap sheets for injuries with many of them being sidelined for huge chunks of time over the past few seasons.

KD
Booker
Simmons (lol)
AD
Zion
Curry
Embiid
Jokic
Murray
Every good player the bulls ever get
BI
Paul George
Kawhi
Dame
Cousins went from a top 20 player to a nobody in 2 years due to injury
Even Giannis misses close to 20 games a year now.



Emphasis on player health has never been higher, yet more games are lost to injury than ever.
Posted by Hobnailboot
Minneapolis
Member since Sep 2012
6094 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 9:10 pm to
Make him play. Too much money to sit.
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
15461 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 9:15 pm to
Play him. If you feel like the best way to get him into shape is to “ramp him up” then do it in game. How does he get into shape during practice? Can’t imagine it’s all that different from a game. I doubt he’s Coach Cartering it and running 1000 suicides and doing 2500 push ups before he can play.
Posted by BowDownToLSU
Livingston louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
20340 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 9:20 pm to
We have the weakest sports media in the NBA. They are scared to ask Griff about the way our medical staff babies our players more than any other team in the league
Posted by mhasen1
Texas
Member since Feb 2008
1852 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 9:33 pm to
quote:

If Zion wanted to play, he could say so. He could say, "I really wish the team would let me play, even though I'm not at 100%."



He said that multiple times last year, and the team held him out against his wishes.

Maybe this year is different, and he is the one holding himself out. But I doubt it with Griffin sounding like a carbon copy of the way he talked last year.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112428 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 9:39 pm to
quote:

We have the weakest sports media in the NBA. They are scared to ask Griff about the way our medical staff babies our players more than any other team in the league
Even if your first statement is true, it wouldn't change anything. If Griff doesn't want to give up info, no teams beat reporters will get any additional information out of him.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59308 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 10:22 pm to
quote:

if they are effectively punting on this season for the hope of better performance from Zion in future seasons, are you for or against that?


against

Preserving Zion shouldn't really be the priority at this point.
Posted by yaherrdme
The Place to Be
Member since Feb 2004
5651 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 11:08 pm to
I know the union will never let it happen ...but contracts should be for a certain amount of games played...pay them some kind of league minimum while injured and missing games....but the contract is not up until the player actually plays the number of games in their contract
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
160397 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 11:19 pm to
If it’s purely conditioning then we’re fricking retarded for not playing him at all when there is no tomorrow. So I’m not really buying that

I get you can’t be completely transparent about injuries but it’s two years in a row now of them just straight up lying about his status. Who wins by doing this ? The fans start to hate Zion and the FO, Zion looks like a fat pussy, Griff and the medical staff look incompetent, etc….I don’t see the point
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