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Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:29 pm to
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:29 pm to
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I'm talking about the way Amare played with his size. Amare played like he was 7' 260, as a rookie. His body literally looks like LeBron's now, and he was 20 years old at the time coming out of high school.


I can see where the disconnect is here


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They might be similar somewhat in size, but what's the point of comparing them just on size, when you know that Amare used his size to play like a beast, when Skal looked like a kid in college with his size?


The point is simply to compare one's size with another. It's not complicated.

Look, Stoudemire was 233 as a rookie. You are attempting to transform him into a "beast" who was 260 lb and looked like present day Lebron as a rookie. It just doesnt work like that.

You are also attempting to portray a "kid" who was nearly 7' and only 17 lbs lighter than Amare into some puny little twerp

Idk what else to say, but it appears we are at an impasse here.

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Would you say that AD generally compares to Dirk Nowitzki, or Kevin Garnett, when referring to size? B/c all three compare about the same, but you wouldn't put AD and Dirk in the same comparison.




I would, because Im just comparing size and measurables.

You want to compare size and game. Which is fine, but that's not what Im talking about. I already mentioned that the experts were throwing out names like Channing Frye as a playing style comp for Skal, if you want to talk about that.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:57 pm to
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I already mentioned that the experts were throwing out names like Channing Frye as a playing style comp for Skal, if you want to talk about that.


That makes sense to me.
It's not like there's a bunch of unique sizes in the NBA. You can pick guys to compare him to that match his size, and the likely way he will play, like a Channing Frye, not a 5 time all nba Amare Stoudmire that did things like this as a rookie to Olowakandi.


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The point is simply to compare one's size with another. It's not complicated.


Hell if we're just comparing sizes, why don't we say he's comparable to Randy Johnson

Skal and Amare are not just not people i would compare, even when it comes to just size, b/c it doesn't make sense.

I got my idiot arguing out for the day. Thanks. And to be clear, that wasn't a shot at you.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278250 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 10:13 am to
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Chad Ford ?@chadfordinsider 4m4 minutes ago
Jamal Murray shot 25-for-27 from NBA 3 in 2 mins in the same star drill



fap
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 10:23 am to
I get why people like Hield. I don't understand the logic of him over Murray, though. I mean, it took Buddy 4 years to become this guy. Murray is practically there now. Compare the two guys freshman years and its a joke.

Don't have to hate one to like the other. Again, I am fine with Hield, but I just don't get the argument of him over Murray. I think Murray is a star in the making.
Posted by Toula
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Posted on 5/17/16 at 10:25 am to
I want Murray over Hield and Dunn all day.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
71987 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 10:28 am to
Shooting drills don't count duh
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278250 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 10:41 am to
Murray could stand to add some "good weight", and once he does that I think you'll really see him take off. He has a weird body but i love his tools
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25456 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:01 am to
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Shooting drills don't count duh


No they do not. I'm sure Jimmer could do that.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34257 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 12:47 pm to
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Shooting drills don't count duh


I've seen Dwight Howard draining 3s during warmups.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
71987 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 1:47 pm to
No you haven't
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 5/17/16 at 2:27 pm to
A friend of mine told me he saw it.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61449 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 2:32 pm to
So you're the IRL friend that keeps him coming back
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115517 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 2:34 pm to
bastardized version of Billy Madison quote
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61449 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 2:36 pm to
My bad. I thought you were referring to the board's resident semi professional scout.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 5/17/16 at 2:43 pm to
I can see that now
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34257 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 3:04 pm to
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No you haven't


Yes, I have, but I'm not going to go back and forth with you like Pee Wee Herman. It was at the game last year when we absolutely destroy Cuck City at home. I was pretty drunk and giving him hell about it, telling him he should shoot his free throws from out there.
Posted by NOLA Bronco
Member since Dec 2014
1898 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 3:20 pm to
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I get why people like Hield. I don't understand the logic of him over Murray, though. I mean, it took Buddy 4 years to become this guy. Murray is practically there now. Compare the two guys freshman years and its a joke.

Don't have to hate one to like the other. Again, I am fine with Hield, but I just don't get the argument of him over Murray. I think Murray is a star in the making.




For me, Murray has slightly worse measurables, isn't where Hield is right now skill wise and both have about the same ceilings.

So it comes down to me that Hield has proven a number of things that make me much more confident he will reach his ceiling then Murray has shown. For instance Hield has shown he can expand his game and develop skills he hasn't prior, Murray is still a question mark in that regard.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278250 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 3:33 pm to
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For instance Hield has shown he can expand his game and develop skills he hasn't prior, Murray is still a question mark in that regard.



yea, but the thing is, at Hield's age, how much more room does he have for improvement?

If Murray develops even close to Hield's rate and production, he is going to be a monster. As is, he is 40% 3pt shooter as a Freshman. Hield is 45%.

Both are near elite rates.
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12720 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 3:37 pm to
Hield and Murray may have been comparable statistically down the stretch, but Hield showed out on bigger stages with less talent around him.

It's easy to view Hield as the less risky pick.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278250 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 3:45 pm to
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, but Hield showed out on bigger stages with less talent around him.


i guess what happens is when you pass on guys that "had more talent around them" you miss out on guys like Karl Anthony Towns and Devin Booker.

KAT- 10/6reb guy
Booker 10ppg scorer at UK.


That being said, UK wasnt all that talented this year.
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