re: 2021 NBA Free Agency

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There is nothing you can say to make me believe we had to give up that 1st. It was stupid. Call their bluff. If they want to resign him to the offer we gave him b/c we only offered 2 2nds, then so be it. Go sign Kendrick Nunn instead. You shouldn't be giving up a 1st for role players in FA. It's unprecedented.

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Average starter on a good contract. But I agree a late 1st is hefty when I think 2 2nds would have been sufficient.

The question is truly: was there someone else looking to get in on it driving up the price

It's been a little too quiet.

Woj hasn't tweeted for 2 hours.

Shams hasn't tweeted in like 15 hours since the Dinwiddie deal.


My left knee is starting to ache, sons. Something is coming. Right?

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There is nothing you can say to make me believe we had to give up that 1st. It was stupid.

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You misunderstand me, I'm not saying it was a fair price, I've said multiple times it was an overpay and they bent Griff over. But he valued the flexibility more. If he lands a legit starting guard we might feel better about it. If he doesn't I think it will be time for Mrs. Benson to reign his optimism bias in. Give Trajan more power or something.

Seems like Griff created cap space with the idea he could throw a ton of money at the top FAs (Lowry, CP3, THJ ect.) and get one and then he struck out on all of them. Charlotte then knowing we have struck out and are desperate swindled a first round pick from us for Graham. It’s a bummer and I really would have preferred Griff have a top FA lined up before making the Memphis trade. At least the assets we gave up are all in the next year so they would have expired from the war chest then anyways and are protected enough that if they are worth anything we keep them.

Who knows maybe Griff has something lined up with a Hart S&T or expanding the Memphis deal that will save the off-season but I’m not holding my breath.

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OK this is really simple. If the Bulls offered lonzo a 4 yr deal at 15 mil a year we would easily match it right?? So if the Bulls really wanted lonzo for that price and to keep cap space then we would have gotten a better S&T than we did. In fact we probably would have gotten a lottery protected first.

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This.

I saw articles prior to free agency saying a Graham deal would be in the ball park of 3 year $48m. We got him for 4/$47m.

We had to make it so that CHA didn't want to just keep him since at that price he is very much an asset.

If we had dropped $16m per year on him and only gave up a 2nd then people would be on here bitching that we have to overpay anyone to want to come here.

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The question is truly: was there someone else looking to get in on it driving up the price

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The answer is, Charlotte was going to match the contract, that's why we gave them a late 1st to not do it

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What proof do we have that we would have taken Murphy at 10? This is revisionist in my opinion.

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I didnt say we would have taken him. Try reading more, melting less.

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OK this is really simple. If the Bulls offered lonzo a 4 yr deal at 15 mil a year we would easily match it right?? So if the Bulls really wanted lonzo for that price and to keep cap space then we would have gotten a better S&T than we did. In fact we probably would have gotten a lottery protected first.

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Then explain to me how every other FA signing or S&T for non multi time allstars didn't result in the team that signed the player giving up a 1st round pick?
The only other time it's happened the last 3 years was with Brogdon signing with Indiana and they gave up a first, which when they did, everyone said how stupid that was considering everyone knew the Bucks weren't going to match b/c they didn't think they could afford his salary and the Pacers had the cap space to sign him.

Two nice examples are Sato signing 3/30 with the Bulls and they gave up 2 2nds. Then Delon Wright signing 3/30 and they too gave up 2 2nds. All three S&T last offseason didn't result in someone giving up 1sts. Literally the only time you see it is when it's big time players making big time money, and that's usually only when they are going to a team that doesn't actually have the cap space to sign them.

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Half the people are judging because they don't know who tf Devonte Graham is or what he is worth. The other half are pissed because we haven't signed anyone else with our cap space or made a move after giving up that first. I understand the second group of people but trades and free agency aren't over.

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I know who he is, and i was asking to trade for him last year at the trade deadline. We could have moved Ball or Bledsoe at that moment and given Graham basically a tryout. Sure would have been nice to move Ball for Graham and gotten back a 1st at the trade deadline.

but you are right, we aren't done yet.....i hope.

Maybe because NBA teams and FO's have more knowledge than fans and Graham was a larger target for teams than you think. Sato and Delon wright were worth that 10 mil a year. Graham is worth more than his contract. Most S&T are "this could be a positive or negative asset if we match at a high price" Lonzo at 21 mil could be both. Most other S&Ts could be both. Us getting Devonte Graham for 4yrs/47 mil is nothing but positive value, positive value, positive value. Y'all will just bitch about what we do no matter what.

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Maybe because NBA teams and FO's have more knowledge than fans and Graham was a larger target for teams than you think. Sato and Delon wright were worth that 10 mil a year. Graham is worth more than his contract. Most S&T are "this could be a positive or negative asset if we match at a high price" Lonzo at 21 mil could be both. Most other S&Ts could be both. Us getting Devonte Graham for 4yrs/47 mil is nothing but positive value, positive value, positive value. Y'all will just bitch about what we do no matter what.

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I mean, we heard not a single report of another team offering Graham more money but Graham turning it down because he wanted to be in New Orleans.

We know what some folks were projecting for him in a contract, we don't know what the actual offers were on him.

I still like the value we got him at, no doubt. I'm just pointing out that it doesn't appear he turned down millions and a better deal, it is more likely that better deal just wasn't out there.