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re: 2021 NBA Free Agency
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:20 pm to SLafourche07
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:20 pm to SLafourche07
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A lot of the time it does.
No one wants their money locked up for 48 hours while CHA just sits there and contemplates matching. And then in the 48th hour, does.
And now you just got nothing and wasted from Monday to Wednesday night of the first 3 days of free agency because you didn't want to give up a lottery protected first.
and you say all of this, yet it doesn't explain why we gave up a 1st to get Graham, when the Bulls gave up a 2nd and dumped salary to get Lonzo, both RFA's, or why any other RFA didn't cost a 1st to get in recent history.
I get your point. I guess we value Devonte Graham so much so that we were willing to give up that 1st to ensure no one else got him, which is pretty much what Indy did with Brogdon. Do you really think that was necessary? Maybe it was.
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Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:25 pm to TeddyPadillac
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And why would anyone believe they would match anything? Why on earth would they pay Rozier $18M, Graham $18M, and LeMelo $8M, all to be PG's, not to mention they drafted Bouknight, not a PG, but another guard that should get minutes? The only reason they'd match Graham, is if they had plans to trade Rozier, and if that was the case, then we should have traded for Rozier.
Agree 100%, that’s why I said make him an offer and if they match they match. Doubtful they want to pay the third string pg 15+. And I think they want to keep Rozier and he will cost them more than 20 after this year.
I’ve wanted Rozier since we were trying to get Tatum and Brown in the AD trade.
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
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and you say all of this, yet it doesn't explain why we gave up a 1st to get Graham, when the Bulls gave up a 2nd and dumped salary to get Lonzo, both RFA's
We've gone over this
Graham and his contract equals positive to neutral value.
Lonzo and his contract equals neutral to holy-fricking-shite-we-overpaid value.
We were not going to bring back Lonzo at that price.
CHA maybe would have brought back Graham at that price.
Throw in some slight Griffin desperation to get something done plus the need to S&T for Graham to strategically stay above the cap and we sent them a protected 1st.
As I mentioned before, my opinion on the 1st will be determined highly but what happens to it if it doesn't convey next summer. We just don't know that yet.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:36 pm to SLafourche07
If the pick doesn't convey we're screwed anyway.
There is no reason for anyone to want the pick to not convey
There is no reason for anyone to want the pick to not convey
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:38 pm to TeddyPadillac
We obviously don't really know, but it is possible that we used the pick to get Graham for less money.
This is just speculation, but imagine that:
1) Graham really wants out of Charlotte, because he wants to start
2) The first from New Orleans is substantially better than the other offers that Charlotte receives.
3) Charlotte tells Graham that he can accept a little less money from New Orleans, or they will match and he will be back in Charlotte next season.
We obviously don't know for sure if something like that negotiation took place. I am just saying that it is possible.
This is just speculation, but imagine that:
1) Graham really wants out of Charlotte, because he wants to start
2) The first from New Orleans is substantially better than the other offers that Charlotte receives.
3) Charlotte tells Graham that he can accept a little less money from New Orleans, or they will match and he will be back in Charlotte next season.
We obviously don't know for sure if something like that negotiation took place. I am just saying that it is possible.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:41 pm to SLafourche07
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CHA maybe would have brought back Graham at that price.
and i've explained this already. They aren't going to keep rolling out their three PG rotation, when two of them aren't good defenders and are 6'1".
If they want to match it, then let them. If they really wanted Graham, they wouldn't have let him go, especially at that price, and don't tell me others would have offered more, b/c nothing was stopping them from offering more to GRAHAM.
No one with a brain believes Charlotte would have matched a 3/$48 deal, and if they tell you they will, you say "ok buddy, we'll just have to wait and see". What happened was, no one wanted to offer that much for Graham, b/c had they, he would have signed it. You can talk about value all you want, both Lonzo and Graham got contracts based on what the market was willing to pay for them.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:43 pm to Pelefraan 1
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If the pick doesn't convey we're screwed anyway.
There is no reason for anyone to want the pick to not convey
Well yeah, I want to send those MFers a pick next year.
But if it doesn't convey and we're screwed, I'd like the screwing to be as painless as possible.
Because if it doesn't convey then that pick will be way more important to us than sending them the 17th pick next year after we made the playoffs.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:47 pm to SLafourche07
thumbs up on the inigo montoya gif
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:51 pm to GOP_Tiger
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This is just speculation, but imagine that:
1) Graham really wants out of Charlotte, because he wants to start
2) The first from New Orleans is substantially better than the other offers that Charlotte receives.
3) Charlotte tells Graham that he can accept a little less money from New Orleans, or they will match and he will be back in Charlotte next season.
We obviously don't know for sure if something like that negotiation took place. I am just saying that it is possible.
So you are telling me that Graham could have possibly gotten higher offers from other teams, and decided to do the Hornets a favor and give up his own money so they can get a nice return for him, as opposed to him making more money and staying in charlotte?
Would you give up a few million dollars to play in New Orleans instead of Charlotte?
This is probably the only big contract Devonte will ever sign, as i doubt he gets another one like this in 4 years as a 30 year 6'1" PG. This is the contract that changes his life forever. He wants the most money. He's not in a position like Tim Hardaway to take less money and be a bit happier. Graham has made $4M so far in his career. Hardaway has made almost $100M.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:53 pm to TeddyPadillac
I promise you they would have brought Graham back. He was a very productive player for them even if off the bench. And at his price tag that a good contract. We gave them incentive not to match. So good trade for both parties. But we got better with getting Graham.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:54 pm to TeddyPadillac
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No one with a brain believes Charlotte would have matched a 3/$48 deal, and if they tell you they will, you say "ok buddy, we'll just have to wait and see
We keep going in circles so I'll bow out shortly, but I'll make this last point/question:
You keep saying "someone could have signed him and made them match" over and over again, but in the same breath you'll say how seldom anyone ever sends over a 1st in a S&T.
I tried looking it up but I can't find any great resource about how many times in recent years a RFA has actually signed an offer sheet and wasn't part of a S&T instead. Because I can't really think of any.
Please point me in the right direction because to me it seems almost as seldom done as trading a 1st.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:03 pm to TeddyPadillac
My thing is what if you don't offer the 1st round for CHA to not match. He signs it and they match. Then what? We got better by getting Graham. Who cares if it cost us a late first round pick?
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:03 pm to SLafourche07
annnnd now Crewz starts walking back all of his predictions because Griffter is gonna sit on his frickin hands today
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:07 pm to jmcwhrter
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annnnd now Crewz starts walking back all of his predictions because Griffter is gonna sit on his frickin hands today
It feels like we're done.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:09 pm to ghost2most
The moratorium doesn't end until noon ET tomorrow. Not sure why people think there's a deadline in a few hours.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:12 pm to TigerinATL
clock just keeps ticking and ticking
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:14 pm to TigerinATL
We just sad.
David Griffin, if you're reading this. Please tweet us a sign that we're not done.
This will be fine:
David Griffin, if you're reading this. Please tweet us a sign that we're not done.
This will be fine:
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:16 pm to jmcwhrter
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annnnd now Crewz starts walking back all of his predictions because Griffter is gonna sit on his frickin hands today
That isn't what he is doing.
He is saying his hope was that the reason things were taking this long was because there were a lot of moving pieces, and he was waiting for the other team to blink on the right deal.
He says now that it has drug on this long, he is likely wrong and there just isn't a move there.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:27 pm to Fun Bunch
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ESPN Sources: Masai Ujiri – architect of the 2019 champions-- has agreed to a significant new deal to become Vice Chairman!President of the Toronto Raptors. Ujiri continues as both Raptors top basketball/business executive and a global philanthropist through his Giants of Africa.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:27 pm to Fun Bunch
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He says now that it has drug on this long, he is likely wrong and there just isn't a move there.
come on... you know exactly what he's doing
1. "I have it on good authority that Boston will trade a king's ransom for AD."
2. "Boston will almost certainly make the best offer for AD"
3. "Boston is the front runner, but watch for the Lakers"
4. "The Lakers always had a better offer than Boston"
5. "Boston likely was never interested in AD because blah blah blah"
6. "You guys need to educate yourselves.. I'm not going to keep explaining to you how I told you all along that AD was going to the Lakers"
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