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re: 2021 NBA Free Agency
Posted on 8/5/21 at 11:52 am to shel311
Posted on 8/5/21 at 11:52 am to shel311
He was RESTRICTED. It doesn't matter what any other team offered Charlotte if they wanted to match. 4 teams could have offered him 17 mil a year or maybe they didn't because Charlotte said they would match to 18 mil. Because the dude is fricking good. And maybe just maybe we had to include a first so Charlotte would back off. Maybe Griffin is actually smart and no other team thought about giving up a useless first to save 6 mil a year on his contract.
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Posted on 8/5/21 at 11:53 am to shel311
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I'm just pointing out that it doesn't appear he turned down millions and a better deal,
I'm sure he didn't. We've already learned that no one wants to be in New Orleans.
But that's not the point. The point is he's movable. He's a bargain at best and neutral at worst. I haven't seen one mention of him being overpaid.
Almost every other deal that we've seen for guys we were rumored to be talking to has gotten a lot of eye raises to how those could be potential hamstringing contracts. CP3, Lowry, Lonzo, THJ, etc.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 11:54 am to Dantheman504
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Maybe because NBA teams and FO's have more knowledge than fans and Graham was a larger target for teams than you think. Sato and Delon wright were worth that 10 mil a year. Graham is worth more than his contract.
Teams put in offers for what they think he's worth. 10x's out of 10 with a player like Graham and his contract, he's signing the biggest deal someone offers. We offered the most. You can think his value is more than what we signed him for, but no one else appeared to offer more than what we did, b/c of they had, he would have accepted it.
Do some of you not understand how free agency works? Graham is making the decision here, not Charlotte. Charlotte isn't going around saying who's offering the most for our FA, that's where we'll send him. That's now how this works. Teams put in offers. Graham decides which one he wants and signs it, then Charlotte comes back to that team and starts negotiating by saying they will match. Graham gets to decide where he goes, not Charlotte, other than if Charlotte matches then they get to decide, but it's Graham's decision on where he signs an offer sheet to.
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Y'all will just bitch about what we do no matter what.
I didn't bitch at all about the JV/Bledsoe/Adams trade. i liked it.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 11:56 am to Pelefraan 1
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Take Siakam for instance. Not an all star but far from a role player
signed a max extension, not a barely above MLE contract.
Big difference.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 11:56 am to TeddyPadillac
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Do some of you not understand how free agency works?
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Graham decides which one he wants and signs it, then Charlotte comes back to that team and starts negotiating by saying they will match
Sounds like you don't.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 11:57 am to Dantheman504
quote:What does that have to do with the ability of other teams to offer him a contract in excess of what we offered?
He was RESTRICTED. It doesn't matter what any other team offered Charlotte if they wanted to match.
quote:Maybe, and in today's world, we would have more than likely heard reports of that happening. Again, not 100% but it's probably likely that we would have known if other teams were interested in him at a higher price.
4 teams could have offered him 17 mil a year or maybe they didn't because Charlotte said they would match to 18 mil
quote:A "useless first" ...ok
Maybe Griffin is actually smart and no other team thought about giving up a useless first to save 6 mil a year on his contract.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 11:59 am to SLafourche07
quote:Pretty sure you do have to actually sign the offer sheet, just saying.
Sounds like you don't.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:01 pm to shel311
There is a reason we did this deal so fast when free agency happened. It's most likely because of that reason of his value going up. Yeah no shite teams were spending their big money on other stars and Graham was going to be a tier 2 guy. Charlotte planned on matching and probably had several teams call about him. But when the lines got quiet because teams were worried about bigger stars it was a great time to get on the phone and offer a first before other talks got more concrete.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:03 pm to TeddyPadillac
You 2 are a waste of energy. Its common sense but y'all can believe whatever you'd like.
Y'all should invite Bronc in here and whip out your fear porn for the circle jerk.
Y'all should invite Bronc in here and whip out your fear porn for the circle jerk.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:03 pm to SLafourche07
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Which means it's a cheap deal that CHA could easily keep and try to flip him later for assets. So we had to pay for that so they didn't match.
Or we could have just rolled out the red carpet for him and he tell Charlotte not to match because his heart is in Nola….
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:04 pm to Dantheman504
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He was RESTRICTED. It doesn't matter what any other team offered Charlotte if they wanted to match. 4 teams could have offered him 17 mil a year or maybe they didn't because Charlotte said they would match to 18 mil. Because the dude is fricking good. And maybe just maybe we had to include a first so Charlotte would back off. Maybe Griffin is actually smart and no other team thought about giving up a useless first to save 6 mil a year on his contract.
Are you kidding me?
IT'S GRAHAM'S DECISION WHERE HE SIGNS, NOT CHARLOTTE'S.
All Charlotte can do is match, or tell a team they will match. That doesn't stop a team from putting in offers, or from Graham accepting the offer. You think Graham gives a shite about the Hornets getting a 1st round pick at the expense of $18M+ to him?
And why would anyone believe they would match anything? Why on earth would they pay Rozier $18M, Graham $18M, and LeMelo $8M, all to be PG's, not to mention they drafted Bouknight, not a PG, but another guard that should get minutes? The only reason they'd match Graham, is if they had plans to trade Rozier, and if that was the case, then we should have traded for Rozier.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:04 pm to Dantheman504
What do we think of Oubre on a short, affordable deal?
Stein said last night he thinks we are a team that could make a move on him but he also hasn’t heard much and that Oubre greatly miscalculated his market.
Stein said last night he thinks we are a team that could make a move on him but he also hasn’t heard much and that Oubre greatly miscalculated his market.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:05 pm to Fun Bunch
Give him the Randle special. Like him and Buddy. Trade Sato for a serviceable 4 and you have a deep team
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:06 pm to shel311
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Pretty sure you do have to actually sign the offer sheet, just saying.
Not according to the NBA
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There are five basic options for a restricted free agent:
• Accept his team’s prior qualifying offer, play out the season and become a free agent the next summer.
• Accept his team’s maximum qualifying offer (where applicable) and play under that long-term deal.
• Negotiate a new contract with his original team that is independent of the qualifying/max qualifying offer.
• Sign an offer sheet with another team through March 1, which his original team has an opportunity to match.
• Negotiate a sign-and-trade if he hasn’t signed an offer sheet with another team.
• If there is no qualifying offer, contract or offer sheet signed for one year, the original team can submit a new qualifying offer and the player will be a restricted free agent the next summer.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:07 pm to Dantheman504
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There is a reason we did this deal so fast when free agency happened. It's most likely because of that reason of his value going up. Yeah no shite teams were spending their big money on other stars and Graham was going to be a tier 2 guy. Charlotte planned on matching and probably had several teams call about him. But when the lines got quiet because teams were worried about bigger stars it was a great time to get on the phone and offer a first before other talks got more concrete.
and that right there is a reasonable response and legit reason for it, and if that was the case then so be it, but history tells us that it likely wasn't. And that also means that Graham didn't think he'd get anything more than the contract we offered.
again, tell me why Charlotte would be matching to keep Graham with their two other PG's?
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:11 pm to SLafourche07
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• Negotiate a sign-and-trade if he hasn’t signed an offer sheet with another team.
He still has to agree to go to the team and agree to a contract, or he wouldn't be going there. If he doesn't do that, the S&T doesn't happen, unless he's a shitty player and has no other offers, and that is not the case. This "basic option" applies to someone like Garrett Temple being needed to S&T in the deal with Lonzo, or Kenrich and the slew of other FA's we had to S&T to send to OKC last year. This doesn't really apply to guys that are going to get legit offers.
You think we could have just sent Lonzo anywhere we wanted and taken the best offer?
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:13 pm to TeddyPadillac
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All Charlotte can do is match, or tell a team they will match. That doesn't stop a team from putting in offers
A lot of the time it does.
No one wants their money locked up for 48 hours while CHA just sits there and contemplates matching. And then in the 48th hour, does.
And now you just got nothing and wasted from Monday to Wednesday night of the first 3 days of free agency because you didn't want to give up a lottery protected first.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:16 pm to SLafourche07
And because Graham was a tier 2 free agent and not CP3, Lowry, etccc teams weren't going to spend all their time on him until the big pieces fell. That's why we snuck in and got him before those pieces fell.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:16 pm to TeddyPadillac
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He still has to agree to go to the team and agree to a contract, or he wouldn't be going there
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You think we could have just sent Lonzo anywhere we wanted and taken the best offer?
Dude, you're not reading what I'm typing and going off on tangents.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:20 pm to SLafourche07
So I guess Griff ain't gonna do anything
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