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re: 2021 NBA Free Agency
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:22 am to Hester Carries
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:22 am to Hester Carries
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We got one of the guys we liked at 10, at 17
What proof do we have that we would have taken Murphy at 10? This is revisionist in my opinion.
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Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:24 am to Galactic Inquisitor
I think we liked him a lot, but probably wouldn't have taken him.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:25 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Moody is with Klutch so he's clearly an idiot. Pass
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:26 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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What proof do we have that we would have taken Murphy at 10? This is revisionist in my opinion.
It was reported pre-draft that we were high on murphy.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:28 am to ghost2most
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Moody is with Klutch so he's clearly an idiot. Pass
Although Klutch got Lonzo 21.5 and playing in a big city.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:30 am to Galactic Inquisitor
I'm not a huge Murphy fan. But I do like his possibilities. Plus once Memphis butchered their pick and took Williams, I was really fine with it. If we would have taken Williams or Jalen Johnson, I would have been disappointed. So Murphy wasn't bad. There are other SGs we could have got, like Bouknight. But he was such a sourpuss at the draft, I was cool we didn't take him either. I wasn't expecting a major contribution by a draft pick this year anyway. But I really did want Kispert. Oh well..
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:34 am to JohnnyKilroy
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It was reported pre-draft that we were high on murphy.
Was that before or after they started working out the Memphis trade?
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:40 am to TeddyPadillac
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I have a big problem with giving up a 1st for a RFA in Graham, and i like Graham a lot. It just makes no sense. If you are signing someone with cap space, then don't give up anything other than some 2nds at worst.
They didn't give up a 1st for Graham, they gave up a 1st to stay over the cap and bring in other stuff. If you sign Graham with cap space you have to become a cap space team and lose the ability to S&T Lonzo, then he does walk for nothing.
Honestly the Memphis part of the deal was worth it to move on from Bledsoe and Adams. But Griff has to pull in a legit starting caliber player in the next day for giving up a 1st for Graham to have been worth it.
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 10:41 am
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:41 am to TigerinATL
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Honestly the Memphis part of the deal was worth it to move on from Bledsoe and Adams. But Griff has to pull in a legit starting caliber player in the next day for giving up a 1st for Graham to have been worth it.
Yeah, the move makes sense at the time.
But if you whiff out on using the cap room, you've sort of defeated the purpose.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:41 am to Fun Bunch
I'm really hoping we can dangle Hart and a 2nd for Buddy or a similar player
I'd consider the whole offseason a success if we could swing that
I'd consider the whole offseason a success if we could swing that
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:42 am to TigerinATL
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They didn't give up a 1st for Graham, they gave up a 1st to stay over the cap and bring in other stuff. If you sign Graham with cap space you have to become a cap space team and lose the ability to S&T Lonzo, then he does walk for nothing.
A first still seems steep for that. It's just exaggerhated in our eyes because he only got a second in return for giving Chicago much more meaningful cap relief.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:43 am to brmark70816
I think with the history of VA and Villanova guys in the draft, you can never be upset about drafting someone from there. You know at minimum you'll get a decent role player. I think Trey can be what Otto Porter was for the most part, a knock down shooter, great defender, and someone who knows his role and doens't try to do to much.
and speaking of Porter, he signed for the veteran minimum with GSW. Could we not have given him 2/$10? would have been the perfect backup 4, and would be nice for guys like Naji and Herb to play with to learn from.
and speaking of Porter, he signed for the veteran minimum with GSW. Could we not have given him 2/$10? would have been the perfect backup 4, and would be nice for guys like Naji and Herb to play with to learn from.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:46 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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A first still seems steep for that. It's just exaggerhated in our eyes because he only got a second in return for giving Chicago much more meaningful cap relief.
Griff did over pay. The Memphis trade gave him flexibility, but it also made him leveraged and everyone knows it. That's the most likely reason why this roller coaster is still going. Other teams smell blood in the water and want a 1st out of Griff too, even if they don't deserve it.
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 10:47 am
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:46 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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A first still seems steep for that. It's just exaggerhated in our eyes because he only got a second in return for giving Chicago much more meaningful cap relief.
It really all comes down to the following years' protections.
If we make the playoffs will anyone really be upset that we're giving up the ~18th pick?
If we miss the playoffs and keep our pick and next year it reverts to 2 2nd round picks that'll be great too.
But if it eventually becomes an unprotected first, then yeah it sucks.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:56 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:
What proof do we have that we would have taken Murphy at 10? This is revisionist in my opinion.
Hollinger said it before the draft, so at least one source
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:58 am to Baron
quote:Langdon pretty much indicated in his post-draft PC that we would not have when asked the direct question. He said he did not know if they would have considered him at 10, but did have him rated higher than 17.
Hollinger said it before the draft, so at least one source
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:58 am to TigerinATL
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They didn't give up a 1st for Graham, they gave up a 1st to stay over the cap and bring in other stuff
They didn't have to give up a 1st to stay over the cap. They could have given up two 2nds. Who else had to gave up a 1st to do something like this?
Celtics gave up 2 2nds to trade Hayward last year.
Thunder gave up cash to trade Gallo last year.
Nuggets gave up a late 2nd to trade Grant last year.
Not sure if you see what's happening here, but the team receiving the player is the one actually getting these assets too. We received a player and had to give away a fricking 1st.
The only team to give up a 1st in a S&T this year was the Bulls with DeRozan, which they pretty much had to do b/c they had no legit way to sign him without sending back some crap player/contract, and they only had to give up a 2024 first.
So the Bulls added Lonzo and DeRozan, and gave up a 2024 1st and a 2nd, while dumping 3 guys they didn't want.
We added Graham and gave up our 2022 1st. you can expand that and say that we added Graham and JV and we had to give up 2 firsts, as well as move from 10 to 17 this year, while dumping 2 guys we didn't want.
The Heat gave up Precious, so you could say they gave up a 1st, but they added a guy that they think will get them a championship this year.
There is nothing you can say to make me believe we had to give up that 1st. It was stupid. Call their bluff. If they want to resign him to the offer we gave him b/c we only offered 2 2nds, then so be it. Go sign Kendrick Nunn instead. You shouldn't be giving up a 1st for role players in FA. It's unprecedented.
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 11:01 am
Posted on 8/5/21 at 11:05 am to Baron
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ollinger said it before the draft, so at least one source
Again, I don't think Hollinger said we were planning to take Murphy at 10. This board would have melted if we stayed at 10 and took Trey Murphy.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 11:07 am to TeddyPadillac
Graham is more than a role player. He's a lights out bomber and a very good passer
We would have taken Moody, he was the highest on our big board at that stage
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Again, I don't think Hollinger said we were planning to take Murphy at 10. This board would have melted if we stayed at 10 and took Trey Murphy.
We would have taken Moody, he was the highest on our big board at that stage
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 11:09 am
Posted on 8/5/21 at 11:10 am to Pelefraan 1
The silence is deafening right now.
It certainly seems like we are just waiting to see if any team blinks first before the moratorium ends, or if they can get any remaining FAs on the cheap.
It certainly seems like we are just waiting to see if any team blinks first before the moratorium ends, or if they can get any remaining FAs on the cheap.
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