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re: 2021 NBA Free Agency
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:34 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:34 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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You left out the first that we sent to Memphis
We traded 10 for 17 and ended up getting the guy I think we wanted all along. Was there anyone much better there at 10? I dont really consider that “giving up a 1st round pick”
Edit: I’m dumb
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 9:51 am
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Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:36 am to LilWezyAna
quote:Dropping from 10 to 17 is definitely the value of a later 1st rounder. Rumors are we had Moody rated higher than Murphy and even Langdon said they had a couple guys in the mix that fell off the board between 10 and 17.
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You left out the first that we sent to Memphis
We traded 10 for 17 and ended up getting the guy I think we wanted all along. Was there anyone much better there at 10? I dont really consider that “giving up a 1st round pick”
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:36 am to LilWezyAna
The Pels also gave up the 22 Lakers pick as part of the Memphis trade. That's what you're missing.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:43 am to LilWezyAna
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Gave up: Lonzo (wouldve been a 22 mil contract) and protected 1st
We also gave up this years 10th pick for the 17th. We gave up next years Lakers first round pick.
The amount we had to give up for marginal lineup improvement drops the grade for me from C minus to a solid D. I was just expecting more. Hope that there is more to come before the season starts.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:43 am to NOSHAU
I think they just had a cloud of players they felt strongly about at least 1 guy falling to 17. Who they wanted the most is irrelevant in my eyes because they were rated close enough that they were willing to fall back and be content with whoever was available there. Langdon even said they rated Murphy higher than 17 so I'm assuming they were really closely rated.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:46 am to supe12sta12z
quote:Maybe, maybe not. That does not mean there was no value given up in dropping from 10 to 17.
I think they just had a cloud of players they felt strongly about at least 1 guy falling to 17. Who they wanted the most is irrelevant in my eyes because they were rated close enough that they were willing to fall back and be content with whoever was available there. Langdon even said they rated Murphy higher than 17 so I'm assuming they were really closely rated.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:47 am to supe12sta12z
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I think they just had a cloud of players they felt strongly about at least 1 guy falling to 17. Who they wanted the most is irrelevant in my eyes because they were rated close enough that they were willing to fall back and be content with whoever was available there. Langdon even said they rated Murphy higher than 17 so I'm assuming they were really closely rated.
Sure, they were willing to drop back to get off of the Bledsoe and Adams mistakes, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't an opportunity cost. I also don't believe Murphy was at the top of our draft board.
Like was previously stated, dropping from 10-17 would likely net a protected future first without the salary dump.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:47 am to TigerinATL
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The Pels also gave up the 22 Lakers pick as part of the Memphis trade. That's what you're missing
Ah my bad. Completely forgot about that. That does make the trade make more sense for Memphis
I do stand by the Trey Murphy thing if it were my personal opinion. I think he will end up better than Moody, Primo, Sengun, Zhaire Williams, and Kispert. Bouknight may be really good, but I don’t think we wouldve taken him for fit reasons
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:48 am to Galactic Inquisitor
If that's the way you want to look at it that's fine.
We swapped a first for a slightly later first to get out of two bums.
To me, that's still a plus move. still got a guy they and we really liked.
To me, we are better than we were last year. We aren't MUCH Better, which is what I hoped for this offseason.
But I think people are going to be surprised.
We swapped a first for a slightly later first to get out of two bums.
To me, that's still a plus move. still got a guy they and we really liked.
To me, we are better than we were last year. We aren't MUCH Better, which is what I hoped for this offseason.
But I think people are going to be surprised.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:49 am to LilWezyAna
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I do stand by the Trey Murphy thing if it were my personal opinion. I think he will end up better than Moody, Primo, Sengun, Zhaire Williams, and Kispert. Bouknight may be really good, but I don’t think we wouldve taken him for fit reasons
Trey Murphy has a higher floor than most of those guys, but several of those guys have much higher ceilings. That's why they went where they did.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:50 am to Fun Bunch
I mean I can't imagine Green could be worse than SVG so there's a plus coming into this season, too 
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:51 am to Fun Bunch
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If that's the way you want to look at it that's fine.
We swapped a first for a slightly later first to get out of two bums.
To me, that's still a plus move. still got a guy they and we really liked.
I've never said that move alone is a negative move. The Memphis trade was absolutely a good move given the hole Griffin dug last offseason. That said, you can't give an honest assessment of the off-season if you leave out major assets that we traded. That Lakers first is a major asset. 17 is significantly later than 10 in the NBA draft, and you left out the Lakers pick again.
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 9:54 am
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:52 am to Fun Bunch
IGNORE ME
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Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:53 am to Galactic Inquisitor
We also received Jonas in the deal who is a large upgrade over Adams and much better fit.
I get what you are saying.
The deals aren't the problem. Doing nothing with the cap space you created is.
I get what you are saying.
The deals aren't the problem. Doing nothing with the cap space you created is.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:55 am to Fun Bunch
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We also received Jonas in the deal who is a large upgrade over Adams and much better fit.
I get what you are saying.
The deals aren't the problem. Doing nothing with the cap space you created is.
Yeah, the trade in a vacuum is probably a B+ or A-. It was a good deal. Everything since that trade is probably a D or worse.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:58 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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17 is significantly later than 10 in the NBA draft,
Not in actual practice though. We got one of the guys we liked at 10, at 17
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:59 am to LilWezyAna
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The Pels also gave up the 22 Lakers pick as part of the Memphis trade. That's what you're missing
Ah my bad. Completely forgot about that. That does make the trade make more sense for Memphis
laker first is top 10 protected.
if lakers top 3 are healthy its #29 or so.
memphis traded 3 2nds for a 2021 late first. they took a guy whose father played pro ball and on national team. he says hes playing in spain.
so it's a stash until he puts on some heft. 6 10 skinny all around solid guy was star of u18 euro champ.
and bane very late first year before.
so laker first is of value to memphis.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:06 am to saints5021
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I saw Griff making it rain at Rick's last night, and even the strippers didn't want his money...sad
That’s his problem, he should have been at Scores. He’s always trying to shop out of his league…..
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:06 am to TigerinATL
I am perfectly fine with the JV trade and moving back from 10 to 17, and the Lakers pick. I like Murphy. All in all it was very good value we got back for what we gave. JV is a huge upgrade over Adams.
I have a big problem with giving up a 1st for a RFA in Graham, and i like Graham a lot. It just makes no sense. If you are signing someone with cap space, then don't give up anything other than some 2nds at worst. If you're going to trade a 1st, shite you might as well have traded two of them and gotten someone even better like Brogdon. Or you could have just signed Kendrick Nunn for less, with the expectation that Kira will eventually be the starter. Had we signed Graham without the 1st, i'd be perfectly fine with it, but giving up the 1st was just so so stupid, and i don't care that it was lottery protected. we've got bigger problems if we are in the lottery again.
I have a big problem with giving up a 1st for a RFA in Graham, and i like Graham a lot. It just makes no sense. If you are signing someone with cap space, then don't give up anything other than some 2nds at worst. If you're going to trade a 1st, shite you might as well have traded two of them and gotten someone even better like Brogdon. Or you could have just signed Kendrick Nunn for less, with the expectation that Kira will eventually be the starter. Had we signed Graham without the 1st, i'd be perfectly fine with it, but giving up the 1st was just so so stupid, and i don't care that it was lottery protected. we've got bigger problems if we are in the lottery again.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:17 am to NOSHAU
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Maybe, maybe not. That does not mean there was no value given up in dropping from 10 to 17.
I could be wrong but I think Bouknight and Moody will be better than Murphy.
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