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I Think Marvin and Sheeran are too close
Posted on 5/5/23 at 10:36 am
Posted on 5/5/23 at 10:36 am
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 10:40 am to EF Hutton
Yeah, but this song is in German, so US law doesn't matter.
Posted on 5/5/23 at 10:46 am to EF Hutton
just because they have the same beat? I dont get it. there are some small similar musical elements but I dont think thats near enough to say he copied it. It just sounds basic. It not like he swiped the riff from smoke on the water or something thats blatantly obvious.
Posted on 5/5/23 at 10:47 am to EF Hutton
I bet Robin Thicke is kicking himself right now too.
But, I read the suit was from Ed Townsend and not Marvin Gaye. Consequently, the jury wasn’t actually allowed to hear the songs together to compare since only the sheet music was disputed.
But, I read the suit was from Ed Townsend and not Marvin Gaye. Consequently, the jury wasn’t actually allowed to hear the songs together to compare since only the sheet music was disputed.
Posted on 5/5/23 at 10:48 am to EF Hutton
No one with any actual brain or understanding of music thinks it’s even remotely close.
“Similar notes!!!!! They both used G and then D!!!!”
“Similar notes!!!!! They both used G and then D!!!!”
Posted on 5/5/23 at 10:49 am to EF Hutton
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EF Hutton
Moron
This post was edited on 5/5/23 at 10:50 am
Posted on 5/5/23 at 10:53 am to lsuconnman
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This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 5/5/23 at 10:56 am to lnomm34
Yes that is true. They actually have video of one of Sheeran's people taking his guitar out of court.
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 10:57 am to EF Hutton
The court disagrees.
Posted on 5/5/23 at 10:58 am to EF Hutton
There should be a "clearing" process before any song is published. That would solve the problem right away.
Posted on 5/5/23 at 11:03 am to EF Hutton
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Vanilla Ice was ruled against for far less.
Vanilla Ice literally sampled and played the bass riff from 'Under Pressure' in his big hit, and tried not to pay for it. You can't play someone else's recording in yours and owe them nothing.
Sheeran's song uses the same chord progression in the verses, at the same tempo, but with a totally different melody. Also the chorus of Sheeran's song is completely different. It is not a copy of Gaye's song.
If you could copyright chord progressions, even at a particular tempo, that would quickly be the end of music. A few dozen people would "own" every song ever written and their heirs would collect forever on everything that was ever recorded and released.
This case was garbage. Unfortunately this one was brought by Gaye's co-writer's family, but the Gaye family has its own lawsuit that was waiting in line behind this one to get resolved. Their 'Blurred Lines' case was even worse than this one, and it's still ridiculous that they won that case. Once they got money for that, it's almost understandable how they turned into an extortion racket to shake down songwriters so they can all be rich without working.
Posted on 5/5/23 at 11:07 am to EF Hutton
A money grab by that loser Ben Crump and his shitbag client. This verdict is a win for all but the grifter class.
Posted on 5/5/23 at 11:07 am to ExtraGravy
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Their 'Blurred Lines' case was even worse than this one, and it's still ridiculous that they won that case.
Completely disagree. I immediately thought Blurred Lines had the actual same passage of music as Got to Give it Up. Total different than the Ed Sheeran case.
Posted on 5/5/23 at 11:08 am to ExtraGravy
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If you could copyright chord progressions, even at a particular tempo, that would quickly be the end of music. A few dozen people would "own" every song ever written and their heirs would collect forever on everything that was ever recorded and released.
Well stated.
Posted on 5/5/23 at 11:40 am to EF Hutton
I’m not sure which gaye I’m taking sides with on this one
Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:14 pm to kcpizzle
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A money grab by that loser Ben Crump and his shitbag client. This verdict is a win for all but the grifter class.
Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:18 pm to EF Hutton
It's Popular music, I mean damn, it's not really genius stuff, everything is influenced by everything else, and there are only 12 notes.
Now, if somebody robs your lyrical song idea, that's different.
Now, if somebody robs your lyrical song idea, that's different.
Posted on 5/5/23 at 1:40 pm to ExtraGravy
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Vanilla Ice literally sampled and played the bass riff from 'Under Pressure' in his big hit, and tried not to pay for it. You can't play someone else's recording in yours and owe them nothing.
This. Not only did Ice Ice baby use a 98% identical line, it actually used the line from the recording. There are at least 2 things to own from a recorded song. The composition and the recording. IIB used both.
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If you could copyright chord progressions, even at a particular tempo, that would quickly be the end of music. A few dozen people would "own" every song ever written and their heirs would collect forever on everything that was ever recorded and released.
1000000%. At its core, both songs are simply I IV V progressions with a passing chord between the I and IV. In this case, the chords actually are different although the root movement is the same (ES: I I(6/3) IV Vsus2 MG: I iii IV V7). I to iii root movement is used in many styles of songs, often in Gospel music. I IV V is the very BASIS of Western Harmony.
I do think that what the plaintiffs were picking up on was not just the root movement but the chordal rhythm. The first and third chords are on the beat, the second and fourth chords are anticipated by an eighth note. But again, can you copyright a chord progression including its rhythm? Traditionally the courts have said no.
If one can copyright a chord progression, Id love to copyright I IV V, I vi IV V, or I V vi IV....
Songs using I V vi IV
Posted on 5/5/23 at 1:43 pm to EF Hutton
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Vanilla Ice was ruled against for far less.
Vanilla Ice was not "ruled against".
The mere threat of litigation forced Rob et al to settle without going to court. No "ruling".
Same thing happened with Tom Petty and Sam Smith.
Posted on 5/5/23 at 2:51 pm to EF Hutton
he sang a new vocal line over the MG backing track. Rick Beato linse them up and withouth the vocals, i can't tell them apart.. There is a half step dif... But it is the same song.
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