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Jay Are
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re: X-Men Dark Phoenix Tomatometer - 21%
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never would have thought that Robb Stark would have been the most successful in the post-GOT world.


The "post-GoT" world is only two weeks old. I'd be wary of making conclusions. Young stars have weathered plenty of bad movies.


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They need to make the movie we all want to see

Magneto: Nazi Hunter



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schatman
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looks like so much trash. They make her look like a damn witch. No Phoenix outfit, no nothing. And Turner is one of the worst casting decisions for Jean Grey possible.


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Roaad
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20%

Every time they maintain the embargo this long, you know the movie has significant issues


VinegarStrokes
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re: X-Men Dark Phoenix Tomatometer - 21%
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The "post-GoT" world is only two weeks old. I'd be wary of making conclusions. Young stars have weathered plenty of bad movies.


"post-GoT" was the wrong phrase for me to use. was trying to convey the actors' and actresses' "post-GoT fame" career which covers the last few years.

but I also don't need to be "wary" of anything. I can make incorrect conclusions all I want and it won't make a damn bit of difference in anyone's life.
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BilJ
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the decisions Fox has made with this franchise are tough to figure out...How did putting Simon Kimberg in charge of a story line you've already done sound like a great idea? A really good cast that they've basically wasted.

I have a tough time even giving them credit for Deadpool as Reynolds had to leak that footage to create a viral sensation to motivate them to green light that.


Jay Are
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re: X-Men Dark Phoenix Tomatometer - 21%
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but I also don't need to be "wary" of anything. I can make incorrect conclusions all I want and it won't make a damn bit of difference in anyone's life.


That's true. You sure are testy about it.

When I say "I'd be wary", I mean that I wouldn't do it, because it will end up incorrect. You explained why it's not a good idea in your own post. I agree. Not everyone is scolding you all the, Mr. Positive.

Though I guess I should have read your vinegar username to deduce your temperament.


Anyway, after reading the RT review blurbs (and a few full reviews), I'm even more fascinated by this movie. Few critics are full-dumping on it. Many are praising Turner, or acknowledging that she is wasted. The criticisms seem to be about the uninspired writing and direction. Almost every review is negative, but in a "it's not quite mediocre" way.

As with Godzilla King of the Monsters, and always, the Metacritic score (currently a 44) is a much more accurate metric of what the critics are saying in their reviews.


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Posters from another site I frequent are saying the movie is fine, and critics are being way too harsh.


BilJ
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maybe...when the reviews for AOA came out I thought critics were being overly harsh due to super hero fatigue but they were actually being nicer than that movie deserved.

These reviews don't seem like they're trashing it, most seem to be saying its just stale.


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I've always been bummed that Matthew Vaughn dropped out.

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Vaughn has previously revealed that he intended to make a different X-Men movie in between First Class and Days of Future Past—one that would introduce a new, younger Wolverine—and now he’s offering more details on the X-Men trilogy we never saw.

Speaking with ComingSoon, Vaughn specifically cites Fox’s decision to make Days of Future Past the direct sequel to First Class as one of the reasons he left the franchise:

“That’s one of the reasons I didn’t continue, because they didn’t listen to me. My plan was First Class, then second film was new young Wolverine in the 70s to continue those characters, my version of the X-Men. So you’d really get to know all of them, and my finale was gonna be Days of Future Past. That was gonna be my number three where you bring them all… because what’s bigger than bringing in McKellen and Michael and Stewart and James and bringing them all together?”

“When I finished the Days of Future Past script with it ready to go I looked at it and said, “I really think it would be fun to cast Tom Hardy or someone as the young Wolverine and then bring it all together at the end.” Fox read Days of Future Past and went “Oh, this is too good! We’re doing it now!” And I said, “Well what do you do next? Trust me you’ve got nowhere to go.” Then they did Apocalypse and it’s like… If you flip that ’round even it would have been better. Hollywood doesn’t understand pacing. Their executives are driving 100 miles-per-hour looking in the rear-view mirror and not understanding why they crash.”



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Apocalypse is simply a crappy villain. The only thing interesting surrounding him are the horsemen. You’d have to really reinvent him like they did Thanos in order to make him work. I’d rather they had gone with Mister Sinister.
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imjustafatkid
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21%




Really wasn't expecting that.


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BilJ
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And I said, “Well what do you do next? Trust me you’ve got nowhere to go.


and he was right.



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imjustafatkid
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I've always been bummed that Matthew Vaughn dropped out.


Maybe they can get him to bring the X-Men into the MCU.


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abellsujr
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Hollywood doesn’t understand pacing. Their executives are driving 100 miles-per-hour looking in the rear-view mirror and not understanding why they crash.
It never fails. Studios look at Marvel and want what they have right away and it's just not possible without a proper build up. I liked DofP, it would have been even better with pacing as a climax. Plus, we would have gotten an actual trilogy with a structured story. Unlike what X-Men became. Thankfully, Marvel owns the characters now and know how to do things right.


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timbo
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She is and has been a horrible actress making bank off her looks.

She will be destitute; I expect a soft porn leak tape to surface one day to get back into the spotlight.


Ehhh, she's married to a Jonas Brother. I think she'll be OK. Worst comes to worse, she makes some shitty romantic comedies, then becomes famous for being in GoT and being married to a Jonas Brother.


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Posters from another site I frequent are saying the movie is fine, and critics are being way too harsh.




It doesn't seem like very many are being that harsh. A lot of reviews say it's better than Apocalypse at least.

But there's a whole range of "meh" that covers the gap between the greatness of First Class and the cesspool of Apocalypse and that seems to be where Dark Phoenix is falling for people. Maybe not terrible but probably not very good, which isn't surprising because they seemed to be in a real hurry to get this slapped together and out the door.


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Dr RC
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The criticisms seem to be about the uninspired writing and direction.



Simon Kinberg has been a credited writer on XXX: State of the Union, Mr and Mrs Smith, X-Men: The Last Stand, Jumper, Sherlock Holmes, This Means War, Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, X-Men: Days of Future Past, Fantastic Four, and X-Men: Age of Apocalypse. He is also is who Fox used to direct the reshoots for Fantastic Four after Josh Trank melted down and went off the rails. I'm not sure what Fox saw from those reshoots that led them to believe giving him a tent pole movie like Dark Phoenix as his feature directorial debut was a good idea.


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BilJ
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re: X-Men Dark Phoenix Tomatometer - 21%
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Apocalypse is simply a crappy villain.


still could have been portrayed better, I think in one scene he's standing next to one of the women and she's towering over him. He didn't look remotely intimidating or powerful. I can sand people to death though...


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The only thing interesting surrounding him are the horsemen


and boy did they botch this...I need really powerful mutants..."alright how about a guy with wings that is a decent cage fighter!"


Damone
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The only thing interesting surrounding him are the horsemen.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the 45 second post-credit scene of Apocalypse and the Horsemen from Days of Future Past was better than the entire Apocalypse movie. He looked young, calm, but confident. The Horsemen in the background looked so sinister. The chanting over the top was the exclamation point. Too bad NONE of that was captured in the movie.

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