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re: Wonder Woman Movie ***SPOILERS*** Thread
Posted on 6/4/17 at 1:24 am to WhiskeyPapa
Posted on 6/4/17 at 1:24 am to WhiskeyPapa
The story was fine, you're just being ridiclous with your very vague nitpicking.
Diana assumed Ares would be where the war was at it's worst due to her having very little knowledge about man's version of war and Ares himself. Nobody would back Trevor because the war was about to end and they weren't risking the treaty over an off chance that a radical wing of the Germans might have a WMD
Diana assumed Ares would be where the war was at it's worst due to her having very little knowledge about man's version of war and Ares himself. Nobody would back Trevor because the war was about to end and they weren't risking the treaty over an off chance that a radical wing of the Germans might have a WMD
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:51 am to athenslife101
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No you didn't. You didn't see the full product and therefore didn't see the actual product. You know shite about art despite how you like to talk about it.
Lesseee, Trevor infiltrates a turkish factory or facility that makes shells and some sort of poison gas. He is very inconspicuous in his flying ace suit complete with very rare Pour le Merite medal.
Did they ever bring out that he spoke German? Turkish?
He easily pockets the evil lady doctor's notebook and flees with the turks chasing him. Luckily for him, there is an Eindecker 3 fighter plane warming up right outside the factory!
Then or CUT TO: as they say in the film business, Diana is gazing longingly out to sea and she sees Trevor's plane appears overhead, on fire. It crashes into the water. Also immediately appearing is a German warship! Warships are not known for their ability to chase aircraft. And The Eastern Mediterranean was not exactly swarming with German warships. For some reason, this German Navy warship had a slew of German soldiers on it.
It was just sooooooo stupid and it needed about another hundred rewrites.
Now you might counter that there were German warships in the Eastern Mediterranean during World War One.
British ships seen following the German ships
"The pursuit of Goeben and Breslau was a naval action that occurred in the Mediterranean Sea at the outbreak of the First World War when elements of the British Mediterranean Fleet attempted to intercept the German Mittelmeerdivision consisting of the battlecruiser SMS Goeben and the light cruiser SMS Breslau. The German ships evaded the British fleet and passed through the Dardanelles to reach Constantinople, where they were eventually handed over to the Ottoman Empire. Renamed Yavuz Sultan Selim and Midili, the former Goeben and Breslau were ordered by their German commander to attack Russian positions, in doing so bringing the Ottoman Empire into the war on the side of the Central Powers."
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Mostly the Royal Navy was a such a overwhelming presence that the Kaiserliche Marine couldn't even operate in the North Sea.
People should perhaps mind being played for fools by bad screenwriters.
This post was edited on 6/4/17 at 4:00 am
Posted on 6/4/17 at 9:54 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
Saw last night and thought it was great. The DCU really should have started with this one.
There was just enough Marvel influence to make it fun for all the nerds who don't like super hero movies to be ultra serious. Conversely, there were actual stakes involved as opposed to Marvel movies where the most serious repercussion is a secondary character dying only for the audience to learn it was a trick (Agent Coulson) or that the two main characters are upset with each other and wont be on speaking terms come infinity war.
Definitely ranked below Logan/Nolan Batman and possibly Winter Soldier. But way better than marvel movies from Avengers onward
There was just enough Marvel influence to make it fun for all the nerds who don't like super hero movies to be ultra serious. Conversely, there were actual stakes involved as opposed to Marvel movies where the most serious repercussion is a secondary character dying only for the audience to learn it was a trick (Agent Coulson) or that the two main characters are upset with each other and wont be on speaking terms come infinity war.
Definitely ranked below Logan/Nolan Batman and possibly Winter Soldier. But way better than marvel movies from Avengers onward
Posted on 6/4/17 at 10:53 am to WhiskeyPapa
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People should perhaps mind being played for fools by bad screenwriters.
It was a damn movie about an Amazonian princess killing the god of war. Lighten up
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:07 am to WhiskeyPapa
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If you can be happy with a movie where pretty people and special effects are the main draw, that is awesome. You are so blessed.
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People should perhaps mind being played for fools by bad screenwriters.
If we all tell you that you're the smartest person in the room, will you go away?
Posted on 6/4/17 at 1:39 pm to Jack Ruby
Also forgot to mention that I loved the score as well. Was excited to hear it after liking the Hacksaw Ridge score. So many positive things about this movie.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 1:41 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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WhiskeyPapa
You sure are putting a lot of effort into a thread about a movie you hated...
Posted on 6/4/17 at 2:13 pm to WhiskeyPapa
You may be surprised to learn that this movie is not based on a true story. I know I was. At least Tarantino got the end of WWII correct.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:01 pm to AustinDawg
I always thought ww hooks up with the batman?
Posted on 6/4/17 at 3:33 pm to WhiskeyPapa
So you had a problem with all of that but didn't have a single problem with Wonder Woman killing Erich Ludendorff, an actual historical figure that survived World War I and figured heavily in the early days of Hitler's Nazi Party?
Posted on 6/4/17 at 6:47 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:07 pm to BigAppleTiger
Just got back from a second viewing. A few things I noticed the second time.
The film was a little bit better and didn't drag as much upon a second viewing.
The time with the Amazons seemed even shorter.
The cinematography is truly stunning.
There were definite rough edges in Gadot's performance, but her personality made them unimportant in the end.
The Ares battle was even better to me. Much clearer and less dizzying than BvS or Man of Steel IMO. Didn't have a problem with any of the CGI. Ares could have been little more Alpha though- I think they kind of nerfed the God of War on the unleashed fury bit. She really handled him with no problems after she lost it. That's another problem. Why not do all this shite to Doomsday and save your pal?
Ludendorff and Dr. Poison were more enjoyable and i really enjoyed their campiness. The part where Ludendorff lurched at Diana to grab her to dance was was great, Gadot's reaction included.
The handling of the invisible shield that protects Themyscira was handled well. The phasing German Battleship reminded me a little of The Philadelphia Experiment and gave a validity to that whole "Discovering a Hidden Civilization Lost in Time" trope. Really liked the effects, but I want to know why Trevor got through- has to be a reason.
The closing credits were amazing to look at. It was like looking at the beginning of a Bond movie- great style to something usually so mundane.
The film was a little bit better and didn't drag as much upon a second viewing.
The time with the Amazons seemed even shorter.
The cinematography is truly stunning.
There were definite rough edges in Gadot's performance, but her personality made them unimportant in the end.
The Ares battle was even better to me. Much clearer and less dizzying than BvS or Man of Steel IMO. Didn't have a problem with any of the CGI. Ares could have been little more Alpha though- I think they kind of nerfed the God of War on the unleashed fury bit. She really handled him with no problems after she lost it. That's another problem. Why not do all this shite to Doomsday and save your pal?
Ludendorff and Dr. Poison were more enjoyable and i really enjoyed their campiness. The part where Ludendorff lurched at Diana to grab her to dance was was great, Gadot's reaction included.
The handling of the invisible shield that protects Themyscira was handled well. The phasing German Battleship reminded me a little of The Philadelphia Experiment and gave a validity to that whole "Discovering a Hidden Civilization Lost in Time" trope. Really liked the effects, but I want to know why Trevor got through- has to be a reason.
The closing credits were amazing to look at. It was like looking at the beginning of a Bond movie- great style to something usually so mundane.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 12:26 am
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:46 am to BigAppleTiger
Maybe I need to watch it a second time.
I thought it was a good movie but I didn't think it was a great movie like all the reviews suggest
I thought it was a good movie but I didn't think it was a great movie like all the reviews suggest
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:50 am to BigAppleTiger
I really enjoyed my second viewing, thought the final battles did drag slightly. I think that was because (in the back of my mind) I knew that the best parts of the film had passed. On the second time around I did notice that Diana's final speech to Ares was a repetition of what Steve had told her earlier, I'd missed that the first time.
I've never been a big fan of the mythology aspects of Wonder Woman or Thor (I prefer when the two of them battle super-villains rather than all-powerful gods). And, while I enjoy the Asgard of the MCU, Paradise Island seemed so much more real to me. Even Ares and the child's story of the Gods of Olympus seemed more grounded than the goings on and fables from Asgard.
Something else that I realized in viewing #2 is how long we go without seeing Diana in her full costume. In most superhero films I'd be fidgeting in my seat waiting for them to get to the superhero part. The origin and transition parts of this movie are so good, I didn't care what she was wearing.
I've never been a big fan of the mythology aspects of Wonder Woman or Thor (I prefer when the two of them battle super-villains rather than all-powerful gods). And, while I enjoy the Asgard of the MCU, Paradise Island seemed so much more real to me. Even Ares and the child's story of the Gods of Olympus seemed more grounded than the goings on and fables from Asgard.
Something else that I realized in viewing #2 is how long we go without seeing Diana in her full costume. In most superhero films I'd be fidgeting in my seat waiting for them to get to the superhero part. The origin and transition parts of this movie are so good, I didn't care what she was wearing.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 9:16 am to Fewer Kilometers
Agree with you and others on the positive aspects of the movie. I really didn't find many negative aspects, such as Gadot's acting, which I found to actually fit the character (i.e. stranger in a strange land).
Most memorable scene to me was WW crossing No Man's Land. It blew me away and will be added to my best scenes in super hero movies list.
Most memorable scene to me was WW crossing No Man's Land. It blew me away and will be added to my best scenes in super hero movies list.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:40 am to WhiskeyPapa
DCEU isn't our universe, things happened differently. I don't think it's been identified among the 52 but DC has gone from multiverse to a prime multiverse with additional multiverses.
I mean there's a god fueling himself off this, he's gonna make sure toys are mostly in the right place to keep the fire going.
I mean there's a god fueling himself off this, he's gonna make sure toys are mostly in the right place to keep the fire going.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 11:05 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Bruce Timm shipped it hard during JL.
Usually she ends up with Supes and drives him to some sorta evil like Injustice, overreaction like Kingdom Come, or values dissonance like killing Max or helping Commie Superman conquer the world until she snaps to her senses.
There's a pretty entertaining (for lots of wrong reasons)comic where a either Fire or Ice asks why she and Bats don't hook up.
It gets weird.
What's great is as much as BT shipped them, Bruce gets a pretty shitty end even in his own project where Babs mourns what became of him, WW isn't even around anymore, Selina is gone, both Robins hate him, and his real son leaves him to almost die until Amanda Waller calls him out.
Usually she ends up with Supes and drives him to some sorta evil like Injustice, overreaction like Kingdom Come, or values dissonance like killing Max or helping Commie Superman conquer the world until she snaps to her senses.
There's a pretty entertaining (for lots of wrong reasons)comic where a either Fire or Ice asks why she and Bats don't hook up.
It gets weird.
What's great is as much as BT shipped them, Bruce gets a pretty shitty end even in his own project where Babs mourns what became of him, WW isn't even around anymore, Selina is gone, both Robins hate him, and his real son leaves him to almost die until Amanda Waller calls him out.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 11:16 am to Sentrius
The wife and I caught the movie Friday night. She was kinda "meh" going in because she thought the character from BvS was poorly handled and the lack of blue eyes really annoyed her.
She enjoyed the movie so much that even the non-blue eyes problem was minor to her.
Casting was great and while some of the parts seemed sluggish, the cinematography was fantastic and the story was solid enough. There were some points I would have changed though...
1. When Diana inadvertently knocks her trainer on her arse by using her bracers, I would have toned that down a bit (like 75%). Like in BvS DC seems to go too big too soon with powers.
2. The shielding effect in the final fight with Aries. WTF? When did Diana learn to channel Sue Storm?? Either have the detritus Aries was sending at her crashing into her but only slightly halting her forward movement or have her just knocking them away.
3. I agree somewhat with Whiskey in that having a shipload of Germans chasing a plane is a bit ridiculous. Having a few planes chasing him in, shooting him down then trying to finish him off (killing Amazons, btw) until the Amazons took them down would have been a somewhat more realistic take (but not enough for me to get my panties in a wad over).
4. There should indeed have been the contest among the Amazons. A 5-10 minute bit of competition montages (something like A Knight's Tale) would have been fine.
5. There was an odd lack of blood considering someone was using a sword to kill the shite out of enemies (especially the fight scene in the tower where she plunges the sword through the guy and the ceiling).
***FOOTNOTES***
---I loved the use of the slow-mo in the village fight scenes, I hope they use them sparingly in future movies instead of using it to try to mask a lack of story (or at least story-telling) with eye candy.
---It's too late now but after seeing the colorized pics with WW having blue eyes, it would have been better aesthetically to go that route (as well as it would be sticking closer to the books). I put this about on the level of Steve Rogers or Barry Allen (TV version) not having blonde hair.
She enjoyed the movie so much that even the non-blue eyes problem was minor to her.
Casting was great and while some of the parts seemed sluggish, the cinematography was fantastic and the story was solid enough. There were some points I would have changed though...
1. When Diana inadvertently knocks her trainer on her arse by using her bracers, I would have toned that down a bit (like 75%). Like in BvS DC seems to go too big too soon with powers.
2. The shielding effect in the final fight with Aries. WTF? When did Diana learn to channel Sue Storm?? Either have the detritus Aries was sending at her crashing into her but only slightly halting her forward movement or have her just knocking them away.
3. I agree somewhat with Whiskey in that having a shipload of Germans chasing a plane is a bit ridiculous. Having a few planes chasing him in, shooting him down then trying to finish him off (killing Amazons, btw) until the Amazons took them down would have been a somewhat more realistic take (but not enough for me to get my panties in a wad over).
4. There should indeed have been the contest among the Amazons. A 5-10 minute bit of competition montages (something like A Knight's Tale) would have been fine.
5. There was an odd lack of blood considering someone was using a sword to kill the shite out of enemies (especially the fight scene in the tower where she plunges the sword through the guy and the ceiling).
***FOOTNOTES***
---I loved the use of the slow-mo in the village fight scenes, I hope they use them sparingly in future movies instead of using it to try to mask a lack of story (or at least story-telling) with eye candy.
---It's too late now but after seeing the colorized pics with WW having blue eyes, it would have been better aesthetically to go that route (as well as it would be sticking closer to the books). I put this about on the level of Steve Rogers or Barry Allen (TV version) not having blonde hair.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 11:24 am to Bard
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5. There was an odd lack of blood considering someone was using a sword to kill the shite out of enemies (especially the fight scene in the tower where she plunges the sword through the guy and the ceiling).
the lack of blood from that stabbing was silly. but i thought that they went out of their way to show her trying not to kill people throughout. felt like the sword was used as more of a blunt object most of the movie.
but yes the lack of blood was noticeable.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:48 pm to Fewer Kilometers
As I've been one of the guys who have been bashing the DCEU and WB (and specifically Snyder) for a while now I figured it was mu duty to write a review for Wonder Woman. Tried to link back to my long arse review from last year for BvS but for some reason it kept making this post fail... In any event, I blasted the shite out of it and have been pretty open about how much I disliked it for a long while now.
As for WW...
Really REALLY liked it, and I'm SO happy about that!
I'm not going to be as in depth as the BvS review, but a few points.
Gal Gadot, despite me worrying about her frame not being big enough to play the part is as well cast as Diana as RDJ is as Iron Man and Chris Hemsworth is as Thor. She's really great on screen, and yeah...she's incredible to look at but she really did some of the small stuff well and it paid off.
Really enjoyed Themyscira. Looked great and I liked the training sequences. Loved the casting of both young Dianas, and the fight on the beach was solid.
Chris Pine was great.
I was upset when I first heard they were changing her origin from WWII to WWI (mostly because of the worry that people would think they were copying Cap's origin) but it worked really well.
The scene with her throwing off the robe and charging out of the trench to go across No Man's Land was fantastic, and the most heroic scene the DCEU has produced to date. And it continued strongly into the town. Really good stuff.
My boys loved when Ares pulled together his armor...
Only really complaints I had were I pegged who Ares was VERY early...as soon as he said "Peace at all costs" at the meeting. Also didn't really care about the other villains much, and would have liked to have seen Dr. Poison be a bigger feature if they were gonna hide Area the whole time. Only other thing was the fact that we ONCE AGAIN got the main fight between DC heros in the god damned dark again, featuring a shite ton of CGI. The movie was generally bright, which was refreshing, so it would have been nice not to have it look like a scene pulled from BvS.
But this was a HUGE step in the right direction, which is both great and terrible. It makes me wish they could some how start over from here, because this was just so much better than the previous three movies. So even if this rights the ship, and I sincerely hope it does, it will only serve to make the first three look that much worse in comparison, and huge missed opportunities.
Yep...really enjoyed this one! Well done, Patty Jenkins!
As for WW...
Really REALLY liked it, and I'm SO happy about that!
I'm not going to be as in depth as the BvS review, but a few points.
Gal Gadot, despite me worrying about her frame not being big enough to play the part is as well cast as Diana as RDJ is as Iron Man and Chris Hemsworth is as Thor. She's really great on screen, and yeah...she's incredible to look at but she really did some of the small stuff well and it paid off.
Really enjoyed Themyscira. Looked great and I liked the training sequences. Loved the casting of both young Dianas, and the fight on the beach was solid.
Chris Pine was great.
I was upset when I first heard they were changing her origin from WWII to WWI (mostly because of the worry that people would think they were copying Cap's origin) but it worked really well.
The scene with her throwing off the robe and charging out of the trench to go across No Man's Land was fantastic, and the most heroic scene the DCEU has produced to date. And it continued strongly into the town. Really good stuff.
My boys loved when Ares pulled together his armor...
Only really complaints I had were I pegged who Ares was VERY early...as soon as he said "Peace at all costs" at the meeting. Also didn't really care about the other villains much, and would have liked to have seen Dr. Poison be a bigger feature if they were gonna hide Area the whole time. Only other thing was the fact that we ONCE AGAIN got the main fight between DC heros in the god damned dark again, featuring a shite ton of CGI. The movie was generally bright, which was refreshing, so it would have been nice not to have it look like a scene pulled from BvS.
But this was a HUGE step in the right direction, which is both great and terrible. It makes me wish they could some how start over from here, because this was just so much better than the previous three movies. So even if this rights the ship, and I sincerely hope it does, it will only serve to make the first three look that much worse in comparison, and huge missed opportunities.
Yep...really enjoyed this one! Well done, Patty Jenkins!
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