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re: Why are the SW prequels fair game for criticism, but TFA somehow sacred?
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:51 am to tigerfan88
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:51 am to tigerfan88
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Poe literally just appears out of nowhere after his apparent death with no explanation other than intense relief his best friend from their 20 minute encounter is alive
You mean the guy who literally saved his life.
Yeah I'd be pretty happy to see him too.
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:52 am to DrSteveBrule
That guy:
In fricking Star Wars
:rotflmao:
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Plausibility
In fricking Star Wars
:rotflmao:
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:55 am to Othello
My apologies I didn't realize any semblance of storytelling and logic isn't necessary because "It's Star Wars." Funny how when the prequels are getting ripped to shreds no one just says "stop over analyzing. It's Star Wars."
Just goes to show how powerful the hype machine can be when the swinging the opinion of the masses one way or the other.
The movie is entertaining, so was Star Trek. So was Guardians of the Galaxy. The original Star Wars had good visual effects for the time sure, but the story was also super original and the world was engrossing. TFA did nothing to live up to or enhance the latter two traits. It was a run of the mill action/drama with some obvious one liners and "LOL" moments. It just happened to be set in the Star Wars universe and feature some vaguely familiar characters
Just goes to show how powerful the hype machine can be when the swinging the opinion of the masses one way or the other.
The movie is entertaining, so was Star Trek. So was Guardians of the Galaxy. The original Star Wars had good visual effects for the time sure, but the story was also super original and the world was engrossing. TFA did nothing to live up to or enhance the latter two traits. It was a run of the mill action/drama with some obvious one liners and "LOL" moments. It just happened to be set in the Star Wars universe and feature some vaguely familiar characters
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 12:59 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:57 am to tigerfan88
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My apologies I didn't realize any semblance of storytelling and logic aren't necessary because "It's Star Wars." Funny how when the prequels are getting ripped to shreds no one just says "stop over analyzing. It's Star Wars." Just goes to show how powerful the hype machine can be when the swinging the opinion of the masses one way or the other
The point of this thread. Maybe some will take a step back and see the hypocrisy.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 1:01 am to fr33manator
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The point of this thread. Maybe some will take a step back and see the hypocrisy.
People rip the prequels because they were shite.
I did the Star Wars marathon as a run up to the new movie thursday night.
It is amazing just how badly written the prequels were compared to the original trilogy. THe actors had nothing to work with...nothing...in the prequels...and we are talking about a lot of very talented actors.
The transition from watching 3 to 4...the dialogue suddenly popped. Actors who were basically 1 and done (Mark Hamil) had decent writing...and it showed.
The reason people are excited for the new one is because, it was well written. After 10 years of George's crappy prequels they have hope that maybe that universe we all liked to play in prior to George's Star Wars documentary can be fun again.
It's really pretty simple to understand.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 1:01 am to fr33manator
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Why are the SW prequels fair game for criticism, but TFA somehow sacred?
Because the prequels are bad, but The Force Awakens is good.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 1:42 am to tigerfan88
quote:Take a few seconds and consider the big, big picture that we have here.
As I've been saying, if we just want the OT again then why sequels? Why not just reboot it ala Batman or Spiderman?
Star Wars (not the original trilogy, but the first movie) was a beloved story at the time. There were quite a few novels that came out BEFORE Empire, different directions from that first story. Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Han Solo at Star's End, the Marvel comics, the daily cartoon serial. It was way more of a Flash Gordon type thing than what developed. Swashbuckling adventurers against a magnificent backdrop, a technically advanced galaxy full of aliens, devoid of a structured central government (the War saw to that). Space ships, laser guns, light sabres, and the magic of the Force, in a wild and limitless expanse. I read and loved those stories as a kid; and JJ Abrams is about my age.
We have been introduced back into that galaxy, with familiar characters set in to reassure where we are, and to pass the torch to new, young ones. We have just been given basically the same introductory story (almost a reboot of the original). We still have Storm Troopers and Tie Fighters, and a bad guy with a laser sword, but it's just a little different. Of significance, we are told the Republic has just been, almost casually, destroyed, by Starkiller base, so rebooting that institution seems iffy at best.
Do we follow with an Empire reboot, or do we get something wildly different instead? Are they planning to go explore the old pre-Empire story possibilities now, as that now seems a lot more possible than it did prior to this movie?
That's kinda the sense I'm getting, that this movie is almost starting the franchise over, and gearing up to go in a different direction. One more open to one-offs with a continual undercurrent, like a series, rather than a structured Grand Story that starts and completes. Really, considering Disney paid what they did for the franchise, it wouldn't make sense to do otherwise. They want a lot more than 2 more major movies from this, they want a continual futuristic space fantasy realm, to tell all sorts of tales in.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:07 am to fr33manator
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Why are the SW prequels fair game for criticism, but TFA somehow sacred?
Movies, like other art forms are largely a matter of taste. I'm no film critic and I don't go into movies trying to cataloging things like camera angles, etc to see if I like a movie. (Which is not to say I don't have some general thoughts on aspects of the movie - I've been trying to save those for the big 80+ page thread if I can work my way to the end of it).
For the Star Wars movies, I can say that I never had any desire to watch the prequels over and haven't watched any all the way through since the first time. I've seen each of the original trilogy numerous times. And I'm wanting to see this latest one again in theaters and afterwards.
So I can say that for me TFA was definitely "better" than the prequels. You are definitely entitled to feel differently.
Also, I haven't really seen people saying this one was perfect. In fact, in the long thread, one of the most used phrases seems to me to be "It wasn't perfect, but ..."
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:13 am to fr33manator
quote:Not even close.
The Force Awakens is a hype Machine with sins equal or greater to the prequels.
ETA: Really glad I didn't see it with someone like you.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 7:24 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:36 am to Scoop
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I have not been involved in those conversations but suffice it to say if you think there is any equivalence between TFA and any of the prequels you should be having milk crates full of Thorazine forcefully inserted into your bung hole as we speak.
Pretty much exactly how I feel about it.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:44 am to fr33manator
Cry some more son. Just cry
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:53 am to Tiger Ryno
I wish we would have gotten a little more background on Finn and his reason for all of a sudden getting a conscience.
Also, the first time Luke held a light saber he about shot his eye out with it. All of a sudden Finn and Rey can pick one up and know how to use it. Especially in the fight against Kylo Ren, someone trained in the arts of using a light saber.
Also, the first time Luke held a light saber he about shot his eye out with it. All of a sudden Finn and Rey can pick one up and know how to use it. Especially in the fight against Kylo Ren, someone trained in the arts of using a light saber.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:06 am to LSUDAN1
bit if you watch - Finn is very clumsy with it - almost treating it as a club or mace when swinging as opposed to a saber - and he was horribly out matched - as evidenced in how well he was ownd in the fights both times.
as for Rey, she also was clumsy in the fights - but you also have to remember this too - when she fought kylo - he was wounded from Chewies shot - his concentration was likely hampered due to that and it helped him not be able to fight 100% - plus when he "realized" who rey was, it caught him off guard and allowed her to go on the offensive.
look the movie was by no means perfect. I hold it in better regards than most of the prequels - and I liked the Prequels well enough - I just think the writing and Dialogue was so badly done - noone could have saved them.
Fr33 - I get what you are trying to say in essence, but you are approaching the subject in all the wrong ways. people arent telling you to kill youself for criticizing the film - they are reacting harshly, because every point you have tried to make has come across as a joke......and posts in this thread make it hard for people to take you seriously.
as for Rey, she also was clumsy in the fights - but you also have to remember this too - when she fought kylo - he was wounded from Chewies shot - his concentration was likely hampered due to that and it helped him not be able to fight 100% - plus when he "realized" who rey was, it caught him off guard and allowed her to go on the offensive.
look the movie was by no means perfect. I hold it in better regards than most of the prequels - and I liked the Prequels well enough - I just think the writing and Dialogue was so badly done - noone could have saved them.
Fr33 - I get what you are trying to say in essence, but you are approaching the subject in all the wrong ways. people arent telling you to kill youself for criticizing the film - they are reacting harshly, because every point you have tried to make has come across as a joke......and posts in this thread make it hard for people to take you seriously.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:09 am to fr33manator
I haven't seen TFA yet but like I said in another thread, it will take a few years for the fanboys to judge these movies objectively. I don't remember any fans hating Phantom Menace or any of the prequels at first.
I'm not saying TFA sucks, just that the fanboyism will cloud people's judgement at first.
I'm not saying TFA sucks, just that the fanboyism will cloud people's judgement at first.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:09 am to fr33manator
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:37 am to Brosef Stalin
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sucks, just that the fanboyism will cloud people's judgement at first.
Emotional they are.
Be objective, they cannot.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:38 am to fr33manator
quote:Enjoy the movie, we do.
Emotional they are.
Be objective, they cannot.
Although perfect, it is not.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:41 am to fr33manator
You're acting like everyone that likes it isn't being objective. This was just a better movie than the prequels. It wasn't perfect, but movies rarely if ever are.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:46 am to fr33manator
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How people who'd never picked up a lightsaber were suddenly badass with it.
Who did this? Finn wasn't badass with it. Rey was good, but we saw that she was skilled with a similar weaopon, the staff thing she was always carrying around. Also, they were both fighting an injured Ren. Hell, Finn almost got his arse kicked by the stormtrooper.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:48 am to fr33manator
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fr33manator
Why is you r point so important that you started 2-3 threads and have over 100 posts in the subject?
Why do you want people to care so much about your opinion?
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