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re: Why are the SW prequels fair game for criticism, but TFA somehow sacred?

Posted on 12/20/15 at 11:51 pm to
Posted by Scoop
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 11:51 pm to
Your work on the Star Wars threads is the equivolent of a chick taking a pic in the gym mirrorr and posting it to Instagram. Nothing about it is authentic and it is all for attention.
This post was edited on 12/20/15 at 11:54 pm
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 11:54 pm to
It really isn't. I don't care about attention. But the absolute hate some of you have for criticism of TFA vs. the prequels is mind-boggling.

And acting like TFA was any less of a money grab is disingenuous
This post was edited on 12/20/15 at 11:58 pm
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 11:59 pm to
Why is it so important to you (and others) to not only troll legit threads but start your own threads?

Is it attention you seek? Is trolling that much fun for you?

I'm going to watch it again tomorrow with my entire family. My son and I already saw it. Does that bother you?

I watched TPM opening day with my wife. We didn't go back to watch it again. Does that confuse you?

Posted by UncleBlazer
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:00 am to
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At least anakin has a plausible reason for his angstiness.


Yoda literally told him he sensed grave danger in his training at 10 years old

He is taken from his mother. The jedi order screws him over at every chance while not letting him bang that baddest chick in the galaxy. His mother is raped and killed by sand people. The jedi order then refuse to make him a jedi master.

Kylo Ren? Raised by 2 of the biggest heroes the galaxy has ever seen. Trained in the jedi arts by Luke Skywalker. He probably got his dick sucked off at every turn.

But Ren is so complex and confused about whether he should be dark or light. And Anakin is whiny and bitchy
Posted by Scoop
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:00 am to
I have not been involved in those conversations but suffice it to say if you think there is any equivalence between TFA and any of the prequels you should be having milk crates full of Thorazine forcefully inserted into your bung hole as we speak.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 12:01 am
Posted by convertedtiger
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:01 am to
Stop feeding the troll and it will starve. He is just bored and acting like a contrarian. This movie was very good. It was Star Wars 2.0 honestly.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 12:02 am
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:02 am to
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I don't care about attention.
You're a complete attention whore.

Non attention whores post their thoughts in a thread maybe a few times. They don't derail threads posting the same thought over and over and over then start new threads posting that same thought over and over and over.

Not a fan.
Posted by DrSteveBrule
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:04 am to
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And Anakin is whiny and bitchy


Nah, not in the slightest:

LINK
Posted by tigerfan88
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:04 am to
Force Awakens is just as bad as the prequels, just in the complete opposite way. Abrams just cut and pasted shite he knew the masses would eat up "bc it felt like Star Wars." There's no smooth transitions, no plausibility, mediocre at best acting, confusing if any exposition. Complete override of universal principles such as hyperspace and force control. Ridley can use mind control 12 hours after learning the force is real? You can jump to hyperspace from inside a ship? Every memorable object from the OT just happens to be lying around at random places the new characters go to?

People keep blowing Abrams for Star Trek. At least Star Trek had the balls to reboot. If all everyone wanted was an updated OT, and based on reviews and the Internet that's what people wanted, then why not just go the batman route and reboot it? Recast Han, recast Luke, get a new Vader, a new emperor. No one is saying the OT was perfect, but at least the story was original. If you're going to basically remake it then at least eliminate some of its flaws. How does a franchise like the Hangover, designed for dumb cheap laughs, get ridiculed for rehashing plots and yet TFA is the greatest movie of all time when there isn't an evolved concept in the whole damn thing?

As is, what was the fricking point of the OT? No point. The universe is the exact same at the beginning of episode 7 as in episode 4. The heroics of the OT are literally pointless.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 12:23 am
Posted by UncleBlazer
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:09 am to
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DrSteveBrule


Are the videos of Ren throwing baby tantrums on youtube yet?

Also, you are a troll who attacks others instead of actually defending the movie, so I'm going to ignore you after this post.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 12:10 am
Posted by DrSteveBrule
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:10 am to
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There's no smooth transitions, no plausibility, mediocre at best acting, confusing if any exposition.


It sounds like you googled "ways to criticize movies to make yourself sound smart" and then pasted it in here like those items have relevance

Plausibility? What the frick are you on about. This is Star Wars

quote:

Also, you are a troll who attacks others instead of actually defending the movie, so I'm going to ignore you after this post.


I've tried to defend the movie enough with well reasoned posts on here, but people like you don't read it and they keep spouting off about the same nonsense and are uninterested in having an intelligent discussion.

I finally realized that when you're dealing with some functional retard from Mississippi, you have to reduce the comprehension level of the argument a bit.

"I'm going to ignore you after this post because I don't know how to have a debate". Ole Miss fans
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 12:15 am
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:14 am to
Right so two hours of fan service just spliced together is a good movie now bc "it's Star Wars."

And Abrams didn't even bother attempting to do anything more than that bc he knew 90% of fans would forgive anything as long as the film resembled the OT on a superficial level.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 12:16 am
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:16 am to
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I have not been involved in those conversations but suffice it to say if you think there is any equivalence between TFA and any of the prequels you should be having milk crates full of Thorazine forcefully inserted into your bung hole as we speak.


Oh really?

So there are no recycled characters to draw fans of the OT?

No forced comical stereotypes? No
Bad writing? No bad acting?

No characters inserted solely to sell action figures?

shite, the guy that kept on screwing Rey over was basically Watto with a different look!

You can like it all you want but it wasn't all that different, in spirit,
Than the prequels
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:19 am to
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Ren throwing baby tantrums on youtube yet?





No way those wouldn't cripple critical systems.
Posted by tigerfan88
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:19 am to
If the next two are anything like this people will start to turn on them more. Even with TFA, the flaws will become more apparent once the sheen wears off and people start rewatching. Poe literally just appears out of nowhere after his apparent death with no explanation other than intense relief his best friend from their 20 minute encounter is alive. I mean Jesus
Posted by UncleBlazer
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:20 am to
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"I'm going to ignore you after this post because I don't know how to have a debate". Ole Miss fans


I'll bite. The guy above you wrote 3 paragraphs with legit complaints about the movie. You pick out one sentence in 3 paragraphs and respond to him with

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It sounds like you googled "ways to criticize movies to make yourself sound smart" and then pasted it in here like those items have relevance

Plausibility? What the frick are you on about. This is Star Wars



You think you are the one trying to have a debate? You can't handle that some didn't think TFA was perfect. You actually sound really dumb
Posted by UncleBlazer
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:22 am to
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No way those wouldn't cripple critical systems.


dude I was thinking the same thing
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:28 am to
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Why is it so important to you (and others) to not only troll legit threads but start your own threads?



Why is anyone with a different opinion than you a troll?

This is asking a specific question. A different discussion than just about TFA.

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I'm going to watch it again tomorrow with my entire family. My son and I already saw it. Does that bother you?


Why would it? I'll see it multiple times myself. I'm not trying to convince people it was a terrible movie any more than the prequels were. Both try to recapture the magic and fail in different ways.
Both are money grabs. Profitable money grabs that play off the established greatness of the Star Wars universe rather than on their own merits.

mate. We both enjoyed the movie, for different reasons.

Variety is the spice of life
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:35 am to
Here's my thing- I saw Star Wars in the theater, and I liked Luke and Han, Chewie, Leia, and the swashbuckling adventures they had. It was classic Errol Flynn stuff set "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away", with evil space Nazis and a big, bad evil sorceror leading the charge. Old Ben was an ok means to pull Luke into the fray and teach him to do some rudimentary magical stuff, with "the Force", something that allowed for magic in a technologically advanced, but very wild, futuristic space setting.
That same "Force" allowed for Vader to do some bad-arse things himself, and made him profoundly menacing (along with the fact that he was big as hell, could lift guys off the ground with one hand by the throat, and was the current laser sword champ). Everyone used guns (of the bright laser kind), except the magic guys also used swords (also of the laser kind).

This was neat to my young mind, and the visual imagery was stunning. It was all great fun, and the imagination ran wild with it. The basic story was interesting, and I could dream up many movies worth of adventures tied to it.

Many movies, we got. The sequels took things in a direction I hadn't anticipated, or would have wanted- Vader is Luke's dad, and Leia is his sister WTF? That didn't fit into the dynamics I had dreamed. Me, my own childhood dreams. But that was ultimately acceptable, because the characters remained in there, Han got the girl instead of Luke, while Luke got to be the new Most Powerful Dude in the galaxy.

As for the next trilogy- again, there was a lot of fertile soil for more Star Wars movies in this story. But 3 movies worth of backstory dedicated to a minor supporting character (old Ben, now young Obiwan) and the most impressive villain, Vader (hey, he's Luke's dad and now, we can show you they were pals), and the dry political maneuvering that led to the Empire, everybody's favorite Bad Guys... that was a bit too far off-topic. Nobody had really cared about those guys at all at the time, other than to hope eventually our heroes would stop Vader. Meanwhile, the characters we all loved and were interested in, dried up and rotted on the vine for over 30 years.

So they made movies about people we didn't care about, and put the name of the franchise on it. They told a story we all knew the ending of, so there was little true danger or excitement (gee I hope Anakin and Obi Wan don't get killed; oh wait, I already know they won't).

You might as well make WW2 movies about the adventures of Q, M, and Moneypenny, and keep calling it 007. I mean, they are characters in almost every Bond movie, right? And they could find the young Bond and begin training him to be a super spy from the age of 12, just like we got baby Darth and later emo Darth.

Then, to make it even worse, they dumbed it down and made it more for little kids. The bad guys weren't Space Nazis, they were idiot aliens with idiot robots that broke if they fell over. They created a floppy eared frog alien idiot and made him a regular. They took one of the cool bad guys and photoshopped him as the entire army (clone troopers, not storm troopers, see?), and made a silly reference as to why he's bad now (aww, the big bad black jedi cut his dad's head off). They stuck the comic relief droids into the story as, really, the only significant lifelong companions of Darth Vader, who seemingly has no clue as to who they are now. They pulled Chewie in without Han, and had him make some stupid Tarzan yells. And they stuck the Star Wars name on it all, and it sold, because that was the best we were going to get.

Now, FINALLY, we come back to the people we loved. Sure, they are old now, a wasted generation that could have been decades of fun. But at least, we finally get to see Han and Chewie shooting storm troopers again, get to see the Millennium Falcon in all her tattered glory evading Tie Fighters, get X Wing vs Tie Fighter dogfights again. It isn't perfect, it isn't vintage Lucas, but at least it's honest STAR WARS again.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:45 am to
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Now, FINALLY, we come back to the people we loved. Sure, they are old now, a wasted generation that could have been decades of fun. But at least, we finally get to see Han and Chewie shooting storm troopers again, get to see the Millennium Falcon in all her tattered glory evading Tie Fighters, get X Wing vs Tie Fighter dogfights again. It isn't perfect, it isn't vintage Lucas, but at least it's honest STAR WARS again


I agree with all of this 100%. My issue is that's only like 20% of the movie. And the other 80% is done rather poorly IMO.

The other issue is the excitement of seeing the old characters is a one time thing. Moving forward you have to draw on the excitement of the universe as a whole. You have to expand past the OT.

As I've been saying, if we just want the OT again then why sequels? Why not just reboot it ala Batman or Spiderman? Or just keep having adventures. If all that matters is Han and Chewie and the falcon; then just recast Han. Turn Han into a James Bond type. And in 40 years we can have debates over which of the 5 Hans was the best. Or how the next Christopher Nolan's version of Vader was the best one ever
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 12:47 am
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