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Why are the SW prequels fair game for criticism, but TFA somehow sacred?
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:37 pm
This is getting ridiculous.
And for anyone who wants to bitch about there already being other threads, there can be other pertinent discussions. No one is making you read or comment in anything.
That being said, most of you felt free to pan and shite all over the sequels. Which is completely valid. You didn't have to like them just because "Star Wars is back" (an argument I've seen posted).
It's okay to have criticisms of a franchise even if you are highly invested in it. (I.e., the prequels)
Don't act like J.J. Has made a sacred cow.
The only thing "sacred" is the OT. And even it really isn't.
People shite all over ROTJ.
The Force Awakens is a hype Machine with sins equal or greater to the prequels. The Magic was gone after the OT. It won't be back. Ever.
Now, that being said, you can watch, critique, enjoy and condemn the prequels in their own little vacuum.
But don't for a minute sit on your high Bantha and act like these new sequels are any less fair game.
Taken in their own right, minus the insertion of OT characters, TFA has flaws for miles.
Doesn't mean it wasn't enjoyable but Oscar material it ain't.
Downvote if you agree.
And for anyone who wants to bitch about there already being other threads, there can be other pertinent discussions. No one is making you read or comment in anything.
That being said, most of you felt free to pan and shite all over the sequels. Which is completely valid. You didn't have to like them just because "Star Wars is back" (an argument I've seen posted).
It's okay to have criticisms of a franchise even if you are highly invested in it. (I.e., the prequels)
Don't act like J.J. Has made a sacred cow.
The only thing "sacred" is the OT. And even it really isn't.
People shite all over ROTJ.
The Force Awakens is a hype Machine with sins equal or greater to the prequels. The Magic was gone after the OT. It won't be back. Ever.
Now, that being said, you can watch, critique, enjoy and condemn the prequels in their own little vacuum.
But don't for a minute sit on your high Bantha and act like these new sequels are any less fair game.
Taken in their own right, minus the insertion of OT characters, TFA has flaws for miles.
Doesn't mean it wasn't enjoyable but Oscar material it ain't.
Downvote if you agree.
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:39 pm to fr33manator
I think it's just because you keep saying it over over.
No one is saying it is immune to criticism
No one is saying it is immune to criticism
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:39 pm to fr33manator
Criticize it all you want. I just like this one and didn't like the prequels.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:41 pm to fr33manator
There's a frickload of stuff to criticize about The Force Awakens, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't enjoyable and a heck of a lot better than the prequels. There are even elements of The Force Awakens that were superior to the original trilogy.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:41 pm to Rhames
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No one is saying it is immune to criticism
I got told to literally "kill myself" because I didn't festoon it with lavish praise.
Yet people absolutely destroy the prequels to a cacophony of huzzahs.
What am I missing?
Both are rife with ridiculousness and poor casting choices and bad acting.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:41 pm to fr33manator
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This is getting ridiculous.
quote:Pot meet kettle...
wants to bitch
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:41 pm to fr33manator
Easy question to answer.
The answer is because fans knew before the prequels were made that Lucas would frick them up, which he did...royally.
People knew J.J. was a perfect fit when it was announced a couple of years ago. He proved himself when he reinvented Star Trek. Everyone could tell that he was the perfect Star Wars nerd to make a truly great Star Wars film.
And he did make a great film. It's wonderful, exciting, fun, and looks beautiful.
The answer is because fans knew before the prequels were made that Lucas would frick them up, which he did...royally.
People knew J.J. was a perfect fit when it was announced a couple of years ago. He proved himself when he reinvented Star Trek. Everyone could tell that he was the perfect Star Wars nerd to make a truly great Star Wars film.
And he did make a great film. It's wonderful, exciting, fun, and looks beautiful.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:41 pm to fr33manator
I think the issue is, from the perspective of a SW fan simple....
The prequels from a combination of casting, storyline, acting, script and general direction, were an attempt to grab money and try to rejuvenate the franchise. Lucas really dropped the ball.
With Disney now owning Star Wars, and the overall direction we have seen comic book movies, Star Trek, and others take, this is a legit movement to make a really strong trilogy.
You can criticize it, but having seen it, I think it is very good. Let this play out is all I'm saying as this trilogy is making a very honest and forward attempt to give you something very good.
The prequels from a combination of casting, storyline, acting, script and general direction, were an attempt to grab money and try to rejuvenate the franchise. Lucas really dropped the ball.
With Disney now owning Star Wars, and the overall direction we have seen comic book movies, Star Trek, and others take, this is a legit movement to make a really strong trilogy.
You can criticize it, but having seen it, I think it is very good. Let this play out is all I'm saying as this trilogy is making a very honest and forward attempt to give you something very good.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:42 pm to fr33manator
The original trilogy had tons of flaws, despite being some of the greatest movies of all time. TFA doesn't have any flaws that the original trilogy didn't IMO.
Prequel Trilogy on the other hand had contrived, boring plot issues, and the characters are only interesting to the extent that we're interesting in the backstory to the original trilogy. Without the original trilogy, nobody would care about these characters in the least bit.
TFA isn't as good as the original trilogy, but the magic is back.
Prequel Trilogy on the other hand had contrived, boring plot issues, and the characters are only interesting to the extent that we're interesting in the backstory to the original trilogy. Without the original trilogy, nobody would care about these characters in the least bit.
TFA isn't as good as the original trilogy, but the magic is back.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:42 pm to BulldogXero
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There are even elements of The Force Awakens that were superior to the original trilogy.
This is a perfect discussion to have. Can you point out some? I'm genuinely intrigued.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:43 pm to Rhames
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No one is saying it is immune to criticism
Seriously? People keep complaining about nitpicking when they probably jerk it to the Plinkett reviews
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:44 pm to fr33manator
Because y'all bitch constantly.
Even in the threads where people who enjoyed the movie are discussing it, people show up to shite all over it.
Even in the threads where people who enjoyed the movie are discussing it, people show up to shite all over it.
This post was edited on 12/20/15 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:45 pm to efrad
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TFA doesn't have any flaws that the original trilogy didn't IMO.
That's like saying "okay, we redid this classic car that was universally loved. But we left all the things wrong with it in. But they are shinier now and differently colored. Heap us with praise and money."
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Prequel Trilogy on the other hand had contrived, boring plot issues, and the characters are only interesting to the extent that we're interesting in the backstory to the original trilogy. Without the original trilogy, nobody would care about these characters in the least bit.
Equally applicable to TFA.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:47 pm to fr33manator
This film is amazing so you can't really compare it to the prequels,
However it does contain a few of those typical JJ Abrams eye rolling moments.
People can dog Lucas all they want, but Abrams wrote Gone Fishing, and Lucas never made anything that awful.
However it does contain a few of those typical JJ Abrams eye rolling moments.
People can dog Lucas all they want, but Abrams wrote Gone Fishing, and Lucas never made anything that awful.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:48 pm to Scruffy
TFA has its faults, but even the best movies do, but some people are coming in threads acting like its Bucky Larson or Paul Blart 2 when it is is clearly a really good movie.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:48 pm to Smoke7024
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Criticize it all you want. I just like this one and didn't like the prequels.
But why!?
Help me understand why, with many of the same issues, it's so different?
Is it because you are older than when the prequels came out? Is it because of the casting choices? Script? Visual effects?
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:49 pm to fr33manator
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Can you point out some? I'm genuinely intrigued.
1. I feel as if the acting in The Force Awakens is better than what we found in the OT.
2. I think the main antagonist is far more fleshed out and interesting than Darth Vader was at this same time in the original trilogy.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:49 pm to ReturnoftheMuschamp
quote:Exactly. They are treating this movie like it is the worst movie to be released since Gigli.
TFA has its faults, but even the best movies do, but some people are coming in threads acting like its Bucky Larson or Paul Blart 2 when it is is clearly a really good movie.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:50 pm to Tactical1
I'm wondering if a lot to do with all this is when the Prequels came out, the modern Internet was still in it's relative infancy.
And access to the multitude of opinions and the like is actually changing the reception.
And access to the multitude of opinions and the like is actually changing the reception.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:51 pm to fr33manator
The firefight scene was much better done than any other including the Endor scene, Stormtroopers getting nailed with blaster fire.
There is a much better conflict of good vs evil and it's more in depth. Confused vs truly evil and such, the characters I feel are much more in depth than even the original trilogy. CGI is much stronger.
Direction is fresh, didn't feel like anything George Lucas has ever touched...
There is a much better conflict of good vs evil and it's more in depth. Confused vs truly evil and such, the characters I feel are much more in depth than even the original trilogy. CGI is much stronger.
Direction is fresh, didn't feel like anything George Lucas has ever touched...
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