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re: Why are the SW prequels fair game for criticism, but TFA somehow sacred?
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:34 am to STLhog
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:34 am to STLhog
assuming he has some kind of complex back story, I have no problem with Finn.
If he is just the token sidekick like Jar Jar, then I will def. have a problem with him.
I'm going to let them develop, but overall, I liked him in this movie.
If he is just the token sidekick like Jar Jar, then I will def. have a problem with him.
I'm going to let them develop, but overall, I liked him in this movie.
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:35 am to RLDSC FAN
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I have time, let's hear it
they don't establish his character's background enough to make his decision reasonable or sympathetic. he comes off as kind of a pussy
he is a sanitation worker who ends up in combat?
the biggest issue is the comedy they try to interject through his character. an uneducated person trained to fight (or do sanitation?) since almost birth has the ability to be snarky verbally and get sassy with people he had no rhythm with?
the actor's delivery was whiney and played into the "he's a pussy" angle
he fights with a fricking lightsaber. i guess they teach sword fighting in sanitation school
they force a love story on him when in about 2 minutes kylo ren and reyson bourne establish much better on screen chemistry
nothing about him appeals to me and everything seems very forced and contrived. he's a device to move the plot along
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 10:36 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:38 am to STLhog
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Like Han suddenly becoming a good/selfless dude and helping the rebels? Granted you could argue he simply did it for Leia but still, I argue he legit cared for the cause and Luke etc.
well at least we have a good bit to establish reasons why he might change his heart/mind (and that conflict goes on for another movie)
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Or Darth Vador suddenly saving his son by killing the emperor?
again, we had 2.9 movies to establish the conflicts and interaction to create drama and establish the possibility of that choice
we can debate these character shifts, but we have data to do so. with finn, the issue is that we don't have that data
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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he fights with a fricking lightsaber
Ever occur to you he was a trained jedi youth inserted as a mole to later defect by Luke?
Would that change your thoughts on him?
He was pretty crucial in them bringing down the new Star (not a fan of that for the record).
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:40 am to Freauxzen
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Not Harry Potter.
Think this one is close and could get there if JK keeps going with it. Just look at the Universal parks thanks to sticking Potter in there. Fantastic Beasts will reignite it if she does as good of a job with it and continues to pump out stories or sells it off to someone to continue it. I never thought Lucas would sell off Star Wars, there is hope for JK after all to open up the Harry Potter world. She also takes restrictive to a whole new level over Lucas with Star Wars.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 10:44 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:40 am to BluegrassBelle
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Who did?
Several posters. But the same ones were Leveling the sexist card for criticism of Rey (who I didn't think was that bad at all) and being shallow for criticizing the looks and acting of Leia and Kylo Ren.
Which is the problem. If you can characterize any criticism of characters as "haters"...that's not a very strong leg to stand on.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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i could go on for a long while
finn is my #2 worst SW character ever behind jarjar
I agree the character is somewhat annoying, but I think Boyega did a really good job with what he was given.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:41 am to fr33manator
You have a link to this?
Like I said, I've seen little to no backlash like that. At least not on this board, because it's not a lone sentiment. You're saying "several" said this.
Like I said, I've seen little to no backlash like that. At least not on this board, because it's not a lone sentiment. You're saying "several" said this.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 10:44 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:42 am to fr33manator
actually - what i gathered from him is that the storm troopers are "conditioned" to be ruthless, and his conditioning wore off before he was to be reconditioned - which led me to believe that they have to undergo this "conditioning" periodically to quash their humanity.
the boss of the planet gun and the chrome Stormtrooper even stated as much.
the boss of the planet gun and the chrome Stormtrooper even stated as much.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:43 am to STLhog
Well if the build is different, and then they reveal it in the next two movies, would you have that big of a problem with him?
Your problems could be argued for all three of the new characters in this. Im personally going to let the story build.
Your arguments could be applied to so damn many scenarios in the OT or the Prequels. You're trying to be logical in a COMPLETELY illogical universe that is Star Wars. I mean, I totally get it, but I choose to just enjoy the stuff and let it play out for the time being. Not bashing you by any means..
Anakin winning the speeder race, Luke being the best pilot in the entire rebellion etc etc.
Your problems could be argued for all three of the new characters in this. Im personally going to let the story build.
Your arguments could be applied to so damn many scenarios in the OT or the Prequels. You're trying to be logical in a COMPLETELY illogical universe that is Star Wars. I mean, I totally get it, but I choose to just enjoy the stuff and let it play out for the time being. Not bashing you by any means..
Anakin winning the speeder race, Luke being the best pilot in the entire rebellion etc etc.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 10:45 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:44 am to STLhog
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Ever occur to you he was a trained jedi youth inserted as a mole to later defect by Luke?
Would that change your thoughts on him?
yeah
you just described a story that would make me hate him more
i didn't think it was possible
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He was pretty crucial in them bringing down the new Star
which was fricking retarded on multiple levels, the biggest possibly being the "sanitation" line inserted solely for "yuck yuck" level joking
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:45 am to Draconian Sanctions
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but I think Boyega did a really good job with what he was given.
he did what he was told to do/be
it's kind of like TFA. it accomplished it's goal of being a stale, soft reboot of ANH
i get what they were going for. i give credit for hitting that goal. doesn't mean i have to like it
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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which was fricking retarded on multiple levels, the biggest possibly being the "sanitation" line inserted solely for "yuck yuck" level joking
Agreed, that was shite.
Don't understand why you would hate that back story more? Which would you prefer or do you just wish he didn't exist?
He was necessary for Rey to escape Jaaku as well and Poe...
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:49 am to STLhog
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Don't understand why you would hate that back story more?
throwing curveballs to be interesting since you can't write a character/story well annoys me (general statement)
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He was necessary for Rey to escape Jaaku as well and Poe...
could have worked without finn and just having poe and his droid get separated, then having he and rey meet up and basically continue the movie with poe in place of finn (until the final battle, but even then you just don't have finn and it still works with han/chewy)
i actually imagine there is a draft of a screenplay where finn doesn't exist and a similar outline occurs
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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could have worked without finn and just having poe and his droid get separated, then having he and rey meet up and basically continue the movie with poe in place of finn (until the final battle, but even then you just don't have finn and it still works with han/chewy)
Agreed. Poe and Rey would have worked fine.
Thinking about it, Poe and Finn basically cancel each other out. I sort of like the defection aspect just because it hadn't really been done yet but I can see your points on the lazy/poor execution of it all.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:58 am to fr33manator
Keep the faith, brutha.
The OT was made by artists. This was made by hacks and suits at Disney.
I just saw JJ's faggy little face and faggy little haircut on CNBC, and I really wanted to slap him. Hack.
The OT was made by artists. This was made by hacks and suits at Disney.
I just saw JJ's faggy little face and faggy little haircut on CNBC, and I really wanted to slap him. Hack.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
I have issues with the movie too, but all told it's better than either JJ Star Trek movie, which IMO is the best possible result that could have been reasonably expected.
I think Rian Johnson is going to kill it with 8
I think Rian Johnson is going to kill it with 8
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 10:59 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:01 am to Draconian Sanctions
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better than either JJ Star Trek movie, which IMO is the best possible result that could have been reasonably expected.
I'm with you here. I'll call my self pleasantly surprised. I like it a whole lot but mainly because I was expecting a shite TON worse.
That was probably the hangover from 1-3 influencing me though. I had myself ready for a pile of dog shite tbh.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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the "sanitation" line inserted solely for "yuck yuck" level joking
The best part of that is Kevin Smith's response.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:08 am to STLhog
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Don't understand why you would hate that back story more?
So you think that they had trained a 5 year old (one of two inexplicable black people in the universe as it is shown, apparently) as a spy, then inserted him into the First order to be trained in toiletries and sword fighting, apparently, then sent off to battle.
Makes perfect sense
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