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re: Who would win? Robert Baratheon in his prime or the Mountain?
Posted on 12/28/22 at 5:16 pm to Section102
Posted on 12/28/22 at 5:16 pm to Section102
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That axe Robert swung
Warhammer
Robert defeated Rhaegar in what was implicitly single combat at Ruby Ford. Rhaegar and Arthur Dayne were considered the greatest swordsmen of their day, along with Ser Barriston. At the time of the era of Game of Thrones (novel), Ser Barriston and Jaime (pre-amputation) were considered the best, with Loras gaining reputation fairly quickly. But all of that is largely based on demonstrated skill with the sword. Obviously, that is not the final analysis as combat has other factors, endurance, ability to absorb damage and continue fighting, etc. The Cleganes were highly regarded fighters as well (as their reputation in the tournaments attest).
Jon Snow and Bronn would have been interesting matchups for pre-zombie Clegane. He wouldn't have regarded them very highly and would have been more likely to make a mistake than versus Barriston, Jaime or even Loras or his brother.
It is just a tough challenge to face off against a much larger, much better protected "tank" opponent where you have to be perfect and a single mistake kills you, whereas he would likely have to either be very passive or make lots of mistakes to lose.
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 8:19 pm to blueboy
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Robert's hammer was basically a big can opener. It's a brute force weapon that can kill with one blow but only if it can bully its way through its opponents' defenses.
What do you think a sword would do against full armor?
Robert's "can opener" was designed to deal with armor. The Mountain would have to use elite precision or get in close to Robert to get him on the ground. Precision wasn't the Mountain's game and getting close to Robert is the antithesis of the Mountain's strategy (using his size).
Posted on 12/28/22 at 8:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:The Mountain isn't just 'strong.' He's freakishly strong and can cut down into armor (as described by GRRM in the books and like The Hound does to Beric on the show) or simply collapse it with the force of his blows. Wherever he hits Robert is taking major damage and constricting Robert's movement or killing him. Also, the hilt of a great sword is a good weapon in close quarters, jabbing at weak points between the armor as well as the visor slit.
Robert's "can opener" was designed to deal with armor. The Mountain would have to use elite precision or get in close to Robert to get him on the ground. Precision wasn't the Mountain's game and getting close to Robert is the antithesis of the Mountain's strategy (using his size).
I think Clegane wins.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 8:55 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Also, those claiming that The Hound went toe to toe with him are forgetting that first off, that wasn’t The Mountain. The creature he fought was nowhere near as fast or skilled as Gregor
You’re forgetting that they fought after Gregor was beaten in jousting by Loras Tyrell and killed Loras’ horse. Gregor and Sandor went toe to toe with Gregor never even once coming close to harming Sandor.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 9:20 pm to grizzlylongcut
Mountain.
All about styles.
And the Viper was very experienced.
All about styles.
And the Viper was very experienced.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 9:35 pm to grizzlylongcut
I lean towards prime Robert Baratheon for the reasons stated above by others. He defeated a highly skilled warrior at Ruby Falls, so we know he has skills as well as strength.
Of course, the real answer is, it depends on why the writer or director has them fighting and what he wants to accomplish in the fight. Either can be made to job if they are trying to make the other look good.
Of course, the real answer is, it depends on why the writer or director has them fighting and what he wants to accomplish in the fight. Either can be made to job if they are trying to make the other look good.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 8:52 am to grizzlylongcut
After having spent way too much time on GoT lore, Robert was considered to be the better fighter. Sir Arthur Dayne and Sir Barristan Selmy are the only ones in his era that are supposed to be better fighters than Robert.
I think the casting of Robert in GoT has an effect on our opinions though. While he is a good actor, he’s not physically intimidating or reminiscent of what Robert was supposed to be in the books.
I think the casting of Robert in GoT has an effect on our opinions though. While he is a good actor, he’s not physically intimidating or reminiscent of what Robert was supposed to be in the books.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:07 am to grizzlylongcut
Robert broke that fight up IIRC
Give me the mountain however he has a foot and some change on Robert with similar bulldozer styles
Give me the mountain however he has a foot and some change on Robert with similar bulldozer styles
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:30 am to Challenger2006
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I think the casting of Robert in GoT has an effect on our opinions though. While he is a good actor, he’s not physically intimidating or reminiscent of what Robert was supposed to be in the books.
This is a good point. If he was played by Henry Cavill or the guy who was on the Amazon Reacher series, I think opinions would change.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:39 am to Ace Midnight
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Rhaegar and Arthur Dayne were considered the greatest swordsmen of their day, along with Ser Barriston.
Was Rhaegar though? It's been a while since I've read them, but I think I in the books Barriston telling Dany that Rhaegar was a capable fighter but that he wasn't as good as his reputation - a reputation that might have been been embellished because he was a prince and heir. I think Barriston also stated that Rhaegar preferred things like music over fighting or training - but did do the latter because it was his duty and it was expected of him. He wasn't a natural fighter nor did he desire combat like Robert.
This post was edited on 12/29/22 at 10:41 am
Posted on 12/29/22 at 11:06 am to theGarnetWay
It's been a while but what I took away from what Barristan was saying was that Rhaegar was a perfectionist and trained hard at whatever he put his mind to. He wasn't interested in fighting but realized that as a prince he should be a capable warrior and so he started training obsessively and in time became a great knight. He won the tournament at Harrenhal which sort of kicked off everything. I don't think he was on the level of prime Jaime or Arthur Dayne but I think he was still one of the better knights of his generation. You are correct though he was more interested in music and poetry and read a lot he didn't really care for battle.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 11:10 am to QC Reb
He actually read the prophecy about the prince that was promised and that convinced him to be a warrior. He apparently was a panty dropper bard before then.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
The Mountain is a bad matchup for Bobby B. I think Robert is pretty underrated in the show as a warrior. To me, he was painted as someone who didn’t fight in tournaments but someone who was a pure warrior and someone you didn’t want to see in battle. Killing Rhaegar himself was a tremendous feat. There aren’t many that I would take over Bobby B if I had someone to fight for me in a trial by combat. Selmy, Arthur Dayne. That’s about it.
But I do think Clegane’s size would give Robert trouble. Robert was a beast. Large, fast and strong. But Clegane has him on all of that outside of speed and I don’t think Robert would be fast enough (like Oberyn was) to take advantage of The Mountain there.
ETA. I take Bobby B against anyone not named Selmy, Dayne and the Mountain
But I do think Clegane’s size would give Robert trouble. Robert was a beast. Large, fast and strong. But Clegane has him on all of that outside of speed and I don’t think Robert would be fast enough (like Oberyn was) to take advantage of The Mountain there.
ETA. I take Bobby B against anyone not named Selmy, Dayne and the Mountain
Posted on 12/30/22 at 12:22 pm to grizzlylongcut
The Mountain beats anyone who isn't his younger brother. It's his whole character really.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 6:58 pm to USMCguy121
The Mountain, hands down.
Robert's skillset don't match up well with Clegane's power, quickness, or reach with his greatsword.
There are few that would match up at all...
Dayne, and Gerold Hightower, the White Bull lost to Ned's crew.
But, the Viper did have range with his spear, and he "cheated"....
Robert's skillset don't match up well with Clegane's power, quickness, or reach with his greatsword.
There are few that would match up at all...
Dayne, and Gerold Hightower, the White Bull lost to Ned's crew.
But, the Viper did have range with his spear, and he "cheated"....
Posted on 12/31/22 at 8:21 am to ScottFowler
That hammer isn't great for fighting close.
It's about styles and traits.
Ali beats foreman who beats Norton and Frazier who beat Ali
It's about styles and traits.
Ali beats foreman who beats Norton and Frazier who beat Ali
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 8:14 am
Posted on 12/31/22 at 1:17 pm to WicKed WayZ
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ETA. I take Bobby B against anyone not named Selmy, Dayne and the Mountain
Wun-wun?
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:28 am to cgrand
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Arya killed the night king
One of many great scenes involving Arya:
Arya spars with Brienne of Tarth.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:37 am to Section102
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That axe Robert swung was a bad arse weapon
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:52 am to southdowns84
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Wun-wun?
He said anyone, not any-Wun
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