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re: What is your favorite Disney movie if you could only pick one?

Posted on 7/18/23 at 10:22 pm to
Posted by real turf fan
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Posted on 7/18/23 at 10:22 pm to
Cinderella the original cartoon. It made me want to learn to sew my own clothes and I did
Posted by JakeFromStateFarm
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Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 7/18/23 at 10:28 pm to
The Lion King.

The actual one, not that CGI bullshite they made a few years ago
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/18/23 at 10:32 pm to
Toy Story 3
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 7/18/23 at 10:56 pm to
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let’s just go with Pixar. what are you ducking talking about.


Why is this personal to you? We're talking about an obvious degradation in the quality of a formerly amazing company.

I don't even know how normal people can't observe this. The fall off with general popularity is pretty striking.

I think Coco (2017) was the last product up to their former quality but let's give you Toy Story 4 (2019).

You can't really think of stuff like Strange World and Elemental as good movies? What's the last Pixar movie in the theater you think was really worth the price of a ticket? They used to make those regularly.

And how does this happen? They have enormous resources. The only obvious answer is incompetence. When Pixar used to be the pinnacle of kids entertainment.
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
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Posted on 7/18/23 at 10:58 pm to
Sword in the Stone
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/18/23 at 11:10 pm to
I feel like this whole opinion relies on accounting for loses while ignoring good movies and actual Quality.

like i said, Onward is a great movie.
Luca was a super cute little kids movie
Turning Red was a funny heartfelt movie

Elemental did poorly but the people who saw it liked it. has a 93% on rotten tomatoes.

are any of these as good as the first Toy Story? no. but they’re good movies. and not as good as toy story is a lot different than what you were saying about intentionally destroying the prior work.
This post was edited on 7/18/23 at 11:11 pm
Posted by NachoReb
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Posted on 7/18/23 at 11:12 pm to
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37539 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 11:32 pm to
We can't have a reasonable conversation if you feel compelled to argue there hasn't been an obvious drop off in quality.

Pixar used to kill. Their movies would entertain pretty near anyone of any age, any culture, and any political background.

That's not the reality today. We just waste each other's time talking if you won't admit that.
Posted by This GUN for HIRE
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Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:22 am to
The Fox and the Hound
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:25 am to
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Does it matter that Toy Story wasn’t a Disney movie until 11 years after it was released (Disney purchased Pixar in 2006)?


That’s simplifying the story a fair amount.

quote:

Tin Toy gained Disney's attention, and the new team at The Walt Disney Company, CEO Michael Eisner and chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg in the film division, sought to get Lasseter to come back.[9] Lasseter, grateful for Jobs' faith in him, felt compelled to stay with Pixar, telling co-founder Ed Catmull, "I can go to Disney and be a director, or I can stay here and make history."[9] Katzenberg realized he could not lure Lasseter back to Disney and therefore set plans into motion to ink a production deal with Pixar to produce a film. [9] Disney had always made all their movies in-house and refused to change this. But when Tim Burton, who used to work at Disney, wanted to buy back the rights to The Nightmare Before Christmas, Disney struck a deal allowing him to make it as a Disney film outside the studio. This allowed Pixar to make their movies outside Disney.[10]

Both sides were willing. Catmull and fellow Pixar co-founder Alvy Ray Smith had long wanted to produce a computer-animated feature, but only by the early 1990s were the computers cheap and powerful enough to make this possible.[11][12] In addition, Disney had licensed Pixar's Computer Animation Production System (CAPS), and that made it the largest customer for Pixar's computers.[13] Jobs made it apparent to Katzenberg that although Disney was happy with Pixar, it was not the other way around: "We want to do a film with you," said Jobs. "That would make us happy."[13]

Catmull, Smith, and head of animation Ralph Guggenheim met with Walt Disney Feature Animation president Peter Schneider in the summer of 1990 to discuss making a feature film, but they found the atmosphere to be puzzling and contentious. They later learned that while Katzenberg was pushing the idea of working with Pixar, Schneider did not want to bring in a non-Disney animation studio. Katzenberg arranged to meet directly with the Pixar contingent, this time including Lasseter and Jobs. The Pixar team proposed a Christmas television special, A Tin Toy Christmas, as a first step, but Katzenberg countered that as long as they were gearing up to transition from 30-second commercials to a half-hour special, they might as well go all the way and make a feature-length film.[14] Katzenberg also made it clear that he was only working with Pixar to get access to Lasseter's talents,[13][14] and that the Pixar team would be signing up to work with a self-described "tyrant" and micro-manager.[13][14] However, he invited them to talk with Disney's animators and get their opinions on working under him and Lasseter was impressed with what he heard.[15] The two companies began negotiations, although they disagreed on key points including whether Disney would get the rights to Pixar's animation technology[15] or whether Pixar would retain partial ownership of the films, characters, and home video and sequel rights.[13] As Pixar was nearing bankruptcy and desperate for funds,[13] they settled on a deal that would allow Disney to have complete ownership and control of the films and characters, including the rights to make sequels without Pixar's involvement, while Pixar would get approximately 12.5% of ticket sales.[16][17] These early negotiations became a point of contention between Jobs and Eisner for many years.[13]
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:30 am to
i’m just asking you to be specific.

because you keep speaking in generalities.

like in said they haven’t put out anything as good as toy story in a while, but Luca, Onward, Turning Red are all good movies.

quote:

Pixar used to kill. Their movies would entertain pretty near anyone of any age, any culture, and any political background.


what culture or political background do you have to be to enjoy each movie?

This post was edited on 7/19/23 at 12:32 am
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37539 posts
Posted on 7/19/23 at 1:00 am to
quote:

just asking you to be specific.

because you keep speaking in generalities


I've been fairly specific. I don't think they've made anything great since Coco. You understand my opinion. You just disagree. Which is fine.

They never would have become Pixar putting out efforts like Onward, Lightyear, Elemental, or Luca instead of Toy Story, the Incredibles, and Wall-E.

RE: my perspective on the destruction of the best parts of the creative property owned by Disney? That's going to seem unreasonable to someone who thinks Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Marvel, and Pixar are as good as they were. But that same opinion is pretty rational to people who think those properties are greatly diminished (by Disney mismanagement) from what they were 5 or 20 years ago.

IMO Grandpa Walt's idiot grandkids Bob and Kathleen are the equivalent of Fredo Corleone. They don't know how to run the family business.

Worst of all the Iger model of acquisitions has damaged or killed multiple IPs.

Because in lieu of good corporate culture (that nurtures internal creativity) they've attempted to buy successful studios. Which worked until they killed it by interfering with the real talent. Which is a story as old as business. There's nothing a bad boss resents and destroys more readily than underlings that can do it better.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 7/19/23 at 1:46 am to
Original mermaid probably
Posted by Animal
Member since Dec 2017
4341 posts
Posted on 7/19/23 at 6:05 am to
Ole Yeller or 20,000 leagues.
Posted by Animal
Member since Dec 2017
4341 posts
Posted on 7/19/23 at 6:08 am to
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quote:
As a kid I thought The World's Greatest Athlete was the bomb

That because it is. I love that movie.



I knew Jan Michael Vincent personally though not well. He visited with some of the same circles I ran with. His is a very tragic story. Been dead many years now.
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
8004 posts
Posted on 7/19/23 at 6:09 am to
The Mighty Ducks

.....maybe Heavyweights
Posted by Shotgun Willie
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 7/19/23 at 7:11 am to
20,000 Leagues

Posted by Scuttle Buttin
Member since May 2020
469 posts
Posted on 7/19/23 at 7:15 am to
The Rocketeer. Fun action movie, great cast. Jennifer Connelly changed me as a person at that age.
Posted by Flair Chops
to the west, my soul is bound
Member since Nov 2010
35651 posts
Posted on 7/19/23 at 7:21 am to
Robin hood on the strength of Roger Miller alone. Everything else about the movie puts it so far ahead, it's not even close for me, personally
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
34232 posts
Posted on 7/19/23 at 7:24 am to
CoCo and Aladdin
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