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re: WATCHMEN Season Long Thread - S1, EP9 (season finale): "See How They Fly"
Posted on 12/16/19 at 9:29 am to Fewer Kilometers
Posted on 12/16/19 at 9:29 am to Fewer Kilometers
quote:That partially makes sense for me. Since he's all knowing past/present/future, like you said if he feels he's going to lose, he knows that by seeing it in the future, so why fight it.
I think that to win the battle against Dr. Manhatten you have to convince him that he will lose. Once he believes that losing is inevitible (or that he has to lose to achieve a goal) he's done.
I guess I just don't fully understand why he thought he'd lose. Maybe I give him too much credit, just feels it would have been easy to kill those dudes outside of his house.
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Posted on 12/16/19 at 9:51 am to Fewer Kilometers
I ducked out after The Looking Glass episode due to time.
I can't decide if I like or hate the concept that Dr Manhattan tried to genuinely reconnect with humanity and that pulls him off the puppet strings he was on in the comic.
I can't decide if I like or hate the concept that Dr Manhattan tried to genuinely reconnect with humanity and that pulls him off the puppet strings he was on in the comic.
Posted on 12/16/19 at 9:58 am to shel311
I enjoyed the finale.
I kind of wish Veidt would have had a little better send off instead of being knocked out, but that kind of goes along with his character so it was fitting.
Lady Trieu and her moms back story was great. I didnt read any of the reddit stuff so I was surprised by a number of stuff in this episode.
Hated to see Dr Manhattan go but I was ok with Angela being the new god. I just hope they dont make a second season now, it just wouldnt be the same with a different person with the powers.
This is what my brother keeps saying. And why he just didnt kill the 7K member that shot him instead of just letting himself die/be captured. I dont really have an answer for that very basic and legitimate gripe
I kind of wish Veidt would have had a little better send off instead of being knocked out, but that kind of goes along with his character so it was fitting.
Lady Trieu and her moms back story was great. I didnt read any of the reddit stuff so I was surprised by a number of stuff in this episode.
Hated to see Dr Manhattan go but I was ok with Angela being the new god. I just hope they dont make a second season now, it just wouldnt be the same with a different person with the powers.
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It seems like he felt he had to die, but I don't really understand why?
This is what my brother keeps saying. And why he just didnt kill the 7K member that shot him instead of just letting himself die/be captured. I dont really have an answer for that very basic and legitimate gripe
Posted on 12/16/19 at 9:59 am to shel311
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I guess I just don't fully understand why he thought he'd lose. Maybe I give him too much credit, just feels it would have been easy to kill those dudes outside of his house.
why not just break the teleporter cannon thing. They would have been powerless to stop him. they only brought one of those big cannon things it appeared.
Posted on 12/16/19 at 10:00 am to MF Doom
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Cookie cutter hbo show. I'll forget it by tomorrow
There is nothing about this show that is cookie cutter. I can easily see somebody not liking it, but this isnt a legit reason.
Posted on 12/16/19 at 10:16 am to shel311
The whole thing with Dr. Manhattan is that he experiences time and reality differently than normal humans and because he has actual powers he uses them differently than any of us would think to use them (kind of Veidt’s point about Trieu claiming she’s going to solve all the worlds problems but that’s hard to actually do once you have all the worlds power). Being captured and destroyed was in his reality both necessary and inevitable.
Posted on 12/16/19 at 10:20 am to tylerdurden24
That was my take on it as well- to Dr M, time exists differently. He can't kill the last 7K member, because he's already been captured and is going to die. It is happening simultaneously. Maybe lazy writing, but that's how Moore wrote him. He didn't do anything to prevent Kennedy's assassination because it is happening for him even as he meets Kennedy.
Posted on 12/16/19 at 10:22 am to oklahogjr
It was a tachyon cannon which is basically Manhattan’s kryptonite and creates blind spots in his omnivision. So destroying the cannon wasn’t going to happen but he could have killed the last guy who shot it.
Underlying all of this is that John had to die to eliminate Trieu and Cyclops and to unburden the world with knowing that he existed. The whole finale basically indicates that world is about to be told that inter dimensional beings aren’t real, President Redford is a shitbag, and now an actual super person is dead (or course nobody knows about Angela except herself)
Underlying all of this is that John had to die to eliminate Trieu and Cyclops and to unburden the world with knowing that he existed. The whole finale basically indicates that world is about to be told that inter dimensional beings aren’t real, President Redford is a shitbag, and now an actual super person is dead (or course nobody knows about Angela except herself)
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Posted on 12/16/19 at 10:28 am to iwyLSUiwy
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There is nothing about this show that is cookie cutter. I can easily see somebody not liking it, but this isnt a legit reason.
I mean it kind of was though. If you remove all the weird and random Watchmen universe stuff (which was the interesting part) and focus on the actual story it was predictable and trope-y.
There was a 0.0% chance that the cavalry and evil white racists were going to win or gain any real power and equally no chance that Angela was going to die or not come out on top.
Posted on 12/16/19 at 10:29 am to tylerdurden24
The problem with this is that you can’t kill Dr. Manhattan. Veidt literally pulled him apart atom by atom in watchmen and it took Dr. Manhattan all of 10 minutes to put himself back together. His energy was never transferred to another host, it’s just out there, meaning Dr. M can simply put himself back together again. There really is no way to kill him so long as his material exists in any state. From a molecular standpoint there is no difference between a living person and a dead one
Posted on 12/16/19 at 11:08 am to oklahogjr
quote:I don't feel like he just wasn't powerful enough to beat them. I feel like he let it happen for a reason, I just don't know what that reason is.
why not just break the teleporter cannon thing. They would have been powerless to stop him. they only brought one of those big cannon things it appeared.
Posted on 12/16/19 at 11:09 am to tylerdurden24
quote:But why was it necessary?
Being captured and destroyed was in his reality both necessary and inevitable.
Posted on 12/16/19 at 11:09 am to SCLSUMuddogs
There was some interesting foretelling towards the end. When Angela and her family were leaving Dreamland, the only letters on the marquee still lighted up (shown in the background over her right shoulder were "DR M".
Posted on 12/16/19 at 11:17 am to shel311
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But why was it necessary?
For a franchise and producer that are both notorious for leaving unanswered questions, they answered a lot in that final episode.
We've got:
Will Manhatten return?
Does Angela have powers?
WTF was Lube-Man?
Nice if we get a 2nd season and some answers.
Also nice if we don't and we're left wondering (as we were with the original comic series).
Posted on 12/16/19 at 11:19 am to Fewer Kilometers
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WTF was Lube-Man?
Peteypedia this week pretty much confirmed it was Petey
Posted on 12/16/19 at 11:22 am to Fewer Kilometers
Btw the final Petey files all but confirmed Petey as Lubeman
Basically when Blake disappeared, they ordered him to return to Washington and he refused and now he is missing and they fired him.
they cleaned out his office and found a couple items on of note, rorsach journals, large container of what appears to be Canola Oil (Lubeman), and interestingly enough there was a CD titled The Manhattan Project from the band “The Nine Inch Nails”—which according to Reddit is not in reference to Nine Inch Nails from our universe, but refers to the Nine In Nails in the Twin Peaks universe (I haven’t seen it so I’m not sure what that means)
The writer of the final Petey entry also cast some doubt on the President actually getting arrested for what Blake is accusing (sets up a possible interesting Season2)
Basically when Blake disappeared, they ordered him to return to Washington and he refused and now he is missing and they fired him.
they cleaned out his office and found a couple items on of note, rorsach journals, large container of what appears to be Canola Oil (Lubeman), and interestingly enough there was a CD titled The Manhattan Project from the band “The Nine Inch Nails”—which according to Reddit is not in reference to Nine Inch Nails from our universe, but refers to the Nine In Nails in the Twin Peaks universe (I haven’t seen it so I’m not sure what that means)
The writer of the final Petey entry also cast some doubt on the President actually getting arrested for what Blake is accusing (sets up a possible interesting Season2)
Posted on 12/16/19 at 11:30 am to shel311
He saw it as a necessity for the greater good, I suppose.
Also, he did conduct a transfer after he was destroyed, through the egg to Angela
Also, he did conduct a transfer after he was destroyed, through the egg to Angela
Posted on 12/16/19 at 11:36 am to tylerdurden24
Btw who knew that Bob Benson was kinda jacked?
Posted on 12/16/19 at 3:10 pm to shel311
My best guess for his reason for it is that it was necessary for him to fall in love with Angela.
He tells her that the moment he fell in love with her was when he said his death was inevitable but she fights to stop it anyway. If Dr. M doesn’t accept his demise but instead wrecks shop on 7K, Angela doesn’t get the chance to try to save him, so he never falls in love with her, so he never bothers meeting her in the first place.
He only meets her because he falls in love with her, and he only falls in love with her because he accepts his death as inevitable, and his death becomes inevitable as soon as he meets her. It’s the chicken or the egg all over again.
He tells her that the moment he fell in love with her was when he said his death was inevitable but she fights to stop it anyway. If Dr. M doesn’t accept his demise but instead wrecks shop on 7K, Angela doesn’t get the chance to try to save him, so he never falls in love with her, so he never bothers meeting her in the first place.
He only meets her because he falls in love with her, and he only falls in love with her because he accepts his death as inevitable, and his death becomes inevitable as soon as he meets her. It’s the chicken or the egg all over again.
Posted on 12/16/19 at 9:18 pm to funnystuff
Are we really going to ignore the "elephant" in the room?
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